mannc Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 I realize he threw the ball a lot, but 2000 yards and 30 TDs on the ground in two years doesn't make him a pocket-passer by any means. And what does playing in the SEC have to do with it? It doesn't change the fact that he was successful against very few NFL-caliber defensive players and zero NFL-caliber defensive units. Just because 2-3 guys on the other side of the line might end up being NFL starters, that doesn't mean Manziel proved that he could hang with the big boys. As we've seen. Plenty of uber-successful SEC QBs have gone on to be NFL nothings. He's the next. Who said he was a "pocket passer"? In or out of the pocket, he averaged well over 300 yards passing per game over two full seasons. Your take on SEC defenses is pretty silly as well. Teams like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, etc, are literally filled with NFL-caliber athletes. No, it is not exactly the same as the NFL, but it is hardly meaningless.
FireChan Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 Who said he was a "pocket passer"? In or out of the pocket, he averaged well over 300 yards passing per game over two full seasons. Your take on SEC defenses is pretty silly as well. Teams like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, etc, are literally filled with NFL-caliber athletes. No, it is not exactly the same as the NFL, but it is hardly meaningless. On throws inside the pocket in college, Manziel averaged over 70%. He's hardly a slouch in the pocket.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 I bet they did, just like they did the JM is tardy to a 5 minute meeting "story". And Pettine publicly stating more than once his disappointment with JM. Bizarre behavior from a first year HC. His first round QB is a lightning rod for controversey and Pettine allows these silly leaks that certainly don't help the kid. I agree with this. Most of the time teams can leak information to reporters about players and there is some kind of public embarrassment for that player that helps motivate him or get him to cut the **** out. The few players that are the lightning rod category like Johnny Eightball, it can easily backfire and cause more distractions that you are trying to eliminate. The Browns are much better handling every thing Johnny in house and tightly under wraps.
NoSaint Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 I agree with this. Most of the time teams can leak information to reporters about players and there is some kind of public embarrassment for that player that helps motivate him or get him to cut the **** out. The few players that are the lightning rod category like Johnny Eightball, it can easily backfire and cause more distractions that you are trying to eliminate. The Browns are much better handling every thing Johnny in house and tightly under wraps. thats something thats been a bit of a question mark for pettine. back to his jets days he was rumored to be the source of some of their ugly leaks and drama.
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 If this is true, big red flag. The college QB does not skip workouts. They are the leaders of the team. @RossTuckerNFL: Wow. My @SiriusXMNFL co-host @SeniorBowlPhil said Manziel attended just 4 of 33 workouts last summer at A&M. Leader?
NoSaint Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) If this is true, big red flag. The college QB does not skip workouts. They are the leaders of the team. @RossTuckerNFL: Wow. My @SiriusXMNFL co-host @SeniorBowlPhil said Manziel attended just 4 of 33 workouts last summer at A&M. Leader? weve heard rumors of him being able to coast at A&M before. weve also heard rebuttals - so im not sure where he falls on work ethic. if true, it can be hard to break those bad habits and get the good ones going. that would match some of the current "leaks from the browns" being discussed. if true, it also could mean getting on the right track would unlock even more potential. Edited August 21, 2014 by NoSaint
26CornerBlitz Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 If this is true, big red flag. The college QB does not skip workouts. They are the leaders of the team. @RossTuckerNFL: Wow. My @SiriusXMNFL co-host @SeniorBowlPhil said Manziel attended just 4 of 33 workouts last summer at A&M. Leader? Take your pick. Johnny Flameout or Johnny Fool's Gold.
FireChan Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 If this is true, big red flag. The college QB does not skip workouts. They are the leaders of the team. @RossTuckerNFL: Wow. My @SiriusXMNFL co-host @SeniorBowlPhil said Manziel attended just 4 of 33 workouts last summer at A&M. Leader? It's not true.
NoSaint Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 It's not true. is there any documentation refuting this one?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Phil Savage is a credible source. OTOH......
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 It's not true. why would savage say that if not true? Just wondering. He is pretty well regarded.
NoSaint Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 why would savage say that if not true? Just wondering. He is pretty well regarded. Well.... either he or firechan has broken our trust today.
FireChan Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) why would savage say that if not true? Just wondering. He is pretty well regarded. Well.... either he or firechan has broken our trust today. Phil Savage is a credible source. OTOH...... Which summer are we talking here? The summer that he declared for the draft? You don't find it odd that this came out today? After losing the job because Pettine said Hoyer was a better leader, some hidden knowledge comes out that perfectly exemplifies JFF's lack luster leadership? I find it fishy. No one questioned Johnny's leadership when he brought them back to upset Alabama. No one questioned Johnny's leadership when he set CFB on fire. No one questioned his leadership until today. And now "sources" come out of the wood work that he wasn't a leader. I won't gobble it up as a fact just because of the source. I'm sure I could find at least 5 things Savage has been "wrong," about. I don't buy this. Especially because it can be misconstrued. I doubt Savage knows the inner-workings of A&M. For all he knows, Sumlin told JF he doesn't have to go for one reason or another. That Johnny should lay-low when he was in the midst of an NCAA investigation. There's a million possible reasons, and it fitting today's narrative of "poor leader," is only one possibility. Edited August 21, 2014 by FireChan
34-78-83 Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Hoyer is also a better QB, not just a better leader. Not that Hoyer is headed for greatness or anything either.... JF isnt near ready and doesn't pass the anything test as far as NFL football goes. ( Eye-test, accuracy, throwing from pocket, leadership, discipline). Maybe one day he will and you odd fans that are obsessed with him for some reason will feel great. Cheers!
26CornerBlitz Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Which summer are we talking here? The summer that he declared for the draft? You don't find it odd that this came out today? After losing the job because Pettine said Hoyer was a better leader, some hidden knowledge comes out that perfectly exemplifies JFF's lack luster leadership? I find it fishy. No one questioned Johnny's leadership when he brought them back to upset Alabama. No one questioned Johnny's leadership when he set CFB on fire. No one questioned his leadership until today. And now "sources" come out of the wood work that he wasn't a leader. I won't gobble it up as a fact just because of the source. I'm sure I could find at least 5 things Savage has been "wrong," about. I don't buy this. Don't waffle!! You said that Savage told an untruth. Where is your evidence that he's wrong?
FireChan Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 Don't waffle!! You said that Savage told an untruth. Where is your evidence that he's wrong? I spoke out of turn, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have said it was patently false.
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Doc Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Which summer are we talking here? The summer that he declared for the draft? You don't find it odd that this came out today? After losing the job because Pettine said Hoyer was a better leader, some hidden knowledge comes out that perfectly exemplifies JFF's lack luster leadership? I find it fishy. No one questioned Johnny's leadership when he brought them back to upset Alabama. No one questioned Johnny's leadership when he set CFB on fire. No one questioned his leadership until today. And now "sources" come out of the wood work that he wasn't a leader. I won't gobble it up as a fact just because of the source. I'm sure I could find at least 5 things Savage has been "wrong," about. I don't buy this. Especially because it can be misconstrued. I doubt Savage knows the inner-workings of A&M. For all he knows, Sumlin told JF he doesn't have to go for one reason or another. That Johnny should lay-low when he was in the midst of an NCAA investigation. There's a million possible reasons, and it fitting today's narrative of "poor leader," is only one possibility. I'd be willing to bet anyone that this info is indeed true. I'd also bet that Savage knew this well before now but never divulged it because he'd have been vilified for it and/or met with "so what? He was a stud in college."
FireChan Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 I'd be willing to bet anyone that this info is indeed true. I'd also bet that Savage knew this well before now but never divulged it because he'd have been vilified for it and/or met with "so what? He was a stud in college." So what? I'm sorry, but if you don't divulge information because you're afraid people won't agree with you, you're a bad source.
NoSaint Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 So what? I'm sorry, but if you don't divulge information because you're afraid people won't agree with you, you're a bad source. regardless of the motivation of releasing it, if its true i dont see the problem with it being a discussion point. His leadership has been questioned, as has his work ethic. he had a very successful college career too. these are all parts of the story. you dont have to exclude everything that doesnt fit your love of him.
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