Clippers of Nfl Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 They may have done so but he doesn't have to like it nor get off of anything. Add me to the list of 'morons' who think Tuel will be better than EJ. I suspect we will see EJ hurt within a few games and Tuel will end up being the starter. I hope I'm wrong I really do. Really? What do you see in him that makes him that good. (please answer this) Screw this untrained eye. My eyes are trained very well. He's wasting his opportunities. You think he will be better than Ej somehow. But dont you need a chance from a team? The boy is running out of chances... Look at Tebow. PROVEN WINNER IN COLLEGE AND THE NFL. Jobless!!!!! Playoff winner. Jobless. What has Tuel done lately? Really the Tuel lovers dont want to see it, but it's there. Against the 3's he should have smoked the other team. However he was not at his best. I wont even say he was horrible like others. He just was not that good. He should have blinded us with "the light". However he was below average... Be honest.
snamsnoops Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Of course. I was posting about Tuel. The other poster started saying something stupid about oh EJ never throws a bad pass when we were not talking about anything EJ related. Each thread lately becomes a bash EJ thread. It could be about back up slot cbs and someone will invariably chime in that it won't matter who is the back up slot corner if EJ sucks. I was just pointing out the stupidity of talking about EJ. He then said he was going to put me on ignore. I responded with great glee that I would in turn not have to hear another EJ sucks remark when I wasn't discussing EJ. Spot on,, kinda tired of the EJ bashing (specially from a select few). Although it has quieted down now that hey have played a 2nd practice game! Edited August 12, 2014 by snamsnoops
billykaykay Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 You hit the trifecta -- predictions of EJ failure, EJ injury, and the ever-present "hope I'm wrong" disclaimer. Well done! Why the sarcasm when the poster is simply giving his humble opinion ? The posters on this board want to either give EJ more time or "throw the bum out". Why are you so quick to throw Tuel out after just one start? I don't know where the Tuel experiment will go, but I too, just like our coaches, see something in him that says he may make it.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 12, 2014 Author Posted August 12, 2014 Why the sarcasm when the poster is simply giving his humble opinion ? The posters on this board want to either give EJ more time or "throw the bum out". Why are you so quick to throw Tuel out after just one start? I don't know where the Tuel experiment will go, but I too, just like our coaches, see something in him that says he may make it. I think it was Confucius who once postulated, "When a songbird sings it is beautiful. If it keeps on singing you begin to get a headache. If it never stops one needs to jam a .45 down its fukking throat."
eball Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 Why the sarcasm when the poster is simply giving his humble opinion ? The posters on this board want to either give EJ more time or "throw the bum out". Why are you so quick to throw Tuel out after just one start? I don't know where the Tuel experiment will go, but I too, just like our coaches, see something in him that says he may make it. Well, to be fair, the poster called himself a moron. I admittedly did not argue.
The Senator Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 I'd have to put my money on Tuel over Lewis, who is now on his fourth NFL team after failing to accomplish anything with St. Louis, Cleveland, or Detroit. Tuel has the highest completion % ever (61.4%) at Washington State, is only the 2nd QB to start for the Cougars as a true freshman (the other is former Bills QB Drew Bledsoe), and - of course - was coached by Mike Leach... GO BILLSSS!!!! 19 & 0 baby!!!!!
MikeSpeed Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Only 1 Bills QB has thrown a TD pass this preseason and he has thrown 2. The problem is he has thrown 2 ints also. Edited August 13, 2014 by MikeSpeed
NoSaint Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 I'd have to put my money on Tuel over Lewis, who is now on his fourth NFL team after failing to accomplish anything with St. Louis, Cleveland, or Detroit. Tuel has the highest completion % ever (61.4%) at Washington State, is only the 2nd QB to start for the Cougars as a true freshman (the other is former Bills QB Drew Bledsoe), and - of course - was coached by Mike Leach... GO BILLSSS!!!! 19 & 0 baby!!!!! Although that coach didnt much like him it seemed, no?
The Senator Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Although that coach didnt much like him it seemed, no? It was Leach's 1st year at Washington State, and Tuel's final year. I don't think that Leach disliked Tuel or thought he lacked any skills - I think they just didn't have time to build any type of strong bond like Leach had with Graham Harrell at Texas Tech. Leach stated that Tuel never really got into any sort of winning rhythm due to injuries (broken collarbone twice) and coaching changes, but still thought he was a good QB and looked forward to seeing how he'd fare in the NFL. . Edited August 13, 2014 by The Senator
Superb Owl Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I found all the measurable throws I could on video (relatively flat and "vertical") Tuel's fastest one was 52 mph EJ's fastest was 50.2 mph Tuels average was 49.03 mph, EJ's average was 44.34 Also, I couldn't find any official velocity for Tuel, but EJ's was measured at the combine... YEAR: 2013 Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59 Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59 James Vandenberg, Iowa 57 Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56 Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56 Geno Smith, West Virginia 55 Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55 EJ Manuel, Florida State 54 Matthew Scott, Arizona 54 Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53 Collin Klein, Kansas State 52 Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51 Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51 Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49 Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw http://blogs.ourlads...bine-2008-2012/
Clippers of Nfl Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I found all the measurable throws I could on video (relatively flat and "vertical") Tuel's fastest one was 52 mph http://youtu.be/LRCfGPoICYE EJ's fastest was 50.2 mph Tuels average was 49.03 mph, EJ's average was 44.34 Also, I couldn't find any official velocity for Tuel, but EJ's was measured at the combine... YEAR: 2013 Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59 Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59 James Vandenberg, Iowa 57 Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56 Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56 Geno Smith, West Virginia 55 Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55 EJ Manuel, Florida State 54 Matthew Scott, Arizona 54 Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53 Collin Klein, Kansas State 52 Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51 Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51 Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49 Matt Barkley, Southern Cal Did not throw Sean Renfree, Duke Did not throw http://blogs.ourlads...bine-2008-2012/ See this is saying something. I like this. But does he have it on the field? I guess only time will tell. I wonder if Tuel will become that hot girl that no one dates. Time will tell.
Orton's Arm Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I found all the measurable throws I could on video (relatively flat and "vertical") Tuel's fastest one was 52 mph http://youtu.be/LRCfGPoICYE EJ's fastest was 50.2 mph Tuels average was 49.03 mph, EJ's average was 44.34 Also, I couldn't find any official velocity for Tuel, but EJ's was measured at the combine... YEAR: 2013 Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59 Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59 James Vandenberg, Iowa 57 Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56 Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56 Geno Smith, West Virginia 55 Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55 EJ Manuel, Florida State 54 Matthew Scott, Arizona 54 Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53 Collin Klein, Kansas State 52 Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51 Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51 Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49 Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw http://blogs.ourlads...bine-2008-2012/ Good post! I don't know whether Tuel will succeed or fail in the NFL. But if he fails, it sounds like his failure story won't involve arm strength. It's good to have reassurance about this aspect of him. On another matter, I appreciate The Senator's comments about Tuel. It's good to hear from those who'd watched him in college.
NoSaint Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Wait - did you just look at a video and manually calculate speed? Or am I completely missing what you said?
Superb Owl Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Wait - did you just look at a video and manually calculate speed? Or am I completely missing what you said? I used a video editor to get the time from the ball leaving qb's hand to reaching receiver's hand
NoSaint Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 I used a video editor to get the time from the ball leaving qb's hand to reaching receiver's hand and then estimated the distance traveled and did all the calculations? i dont mean to sound critical - but really im surprised that the end result was something as close to a reasonable number as it was. it seems like it would be terribly inaccurate in the process blowing up a very rough feet per second to miles per hour.
Superb Owl Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 and then estimated the distance traveled and did all the calculations? yes that's right, here are the numbers 18 / .734 = 24.52 y/s = 50.15 mph 25 / .984 = 25.41 y/s = 51.98 mph
NoSaint Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 yes that's right, here are the numbers 18 / .734 = 24.52 y/s = 50.15 mph 25 / .984 = 25.41 y/s = 51.98 mph I understood how you did it - just noting that those rough numbers when blown up to MPH exaggerate the fact that even if you did a really good job they arent going to be exact. a few inches, and/or a few hundredths of a second could cause a noticeable swing on the end result. good effort, but not sure how accurate/meaningful the end result really is.
Mango Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 I understood how you did it - just noting that those rough numbers when blown up to MPH exaggerate the fact that even if you did a really good job they arent going to be exact. a few inches, and/or a few hundredths of a second could cause a noticeable swing on the end result. good effort, but not sure how accurate/meaningful the end result really is. yes that's right, here are the numbers 18 / .734 = 24.52 y/s = 50.15 mph 25 / .984 = 25.41 y/s = 51.98 mph I found all the measurable throws I could on video (relatively flat and "vertical") Tuel's fastest one was 52 mph http://youtu.be/LRCfGPoICYE EJ's fastest was 50.2 mph Tuels average was 49.03 mph, EJ's average was 44.34 Also, I couldn't find any official velocity for Tuel, but EJ's was measured at the combine... YEAR: 2013 Tyler Bray, Tennessee 59 Zac Dysert, Miami (OH) 59 James Vandenberg, Iowa 57 Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 56 Bradley Sorensen, Southern Utah 56 Geno Smith, West Virginia 55 Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 55 EJ Manuel, Florida State 54 Matthew Scott, Arizona 54 Landry Jones, Oklahoma 53 Collin Klein, Kansas State 52 Colby Cameron, Louisiana Tech 51 Marqueis Gray, Minnesota 51 Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49 Matt Barkley, Southern Cal – Did not throw Sean Renfree, Duke – Did not throw http://blogs.ourlads...bine-2008-2012/ Super cool work. It is much appreciated. Can you post the video editor video on youtube, then link here, so we can see how accurate of measurements you got? My largest issue with accuracy is the endzone catch, which really makes it a guestimate. Also since you did the math, with is the results given a margin of error of say +/- a yard. Tuel could be faster or slower. According to that stupid American Muscle show on discovery, an NFL QB needs to be able to hit 50mph in controlled max velocity testing. Just like the combine. Good to see we have two QB's who well surpass that.
Garranimal Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 good effort, but not sure how accurate/meaningful the end result really is. It likely means that the oft repeated "weak arm" comments are as baseless as the "slow eyes" and "locks on to recievers" comments. Unfortunately one can actually be measured while the other two are figments of ESPN's imagination. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 It likely means that the oft repeated "weak arm" comments are as baseless as the "slow eyes" and "locks on to recievers" comments. Unfortunately one can actually be measured while the other two are figments of ESPN's imagination. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant. To me, there are three-four categories you can classify NFL quarterbacks in. 1) rag arms, 2) all the throws arms, 3) strong arms, 4) rocket arms. Most fall into the middle two. Tuel falls into the make all the throws arms. He can complete the long out pattern well enough that NFL cornerbacks cannot get their quick enough to break up the play. He can throw a deep ball 50 yards. He doesn't get in trouble because he has a rag arm, it's just not a strong one. EJ has a strong arm, although I would say it's closer to the all the throws arm than the rocket arm.
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