eball Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 True... He hasn't ventured over to PPP yet nor has he been forced to read every post in the LPW thread. I've been around here for a long time and have never ventured into PPP land. I waste enough time here.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I've been around here for a long time and have never ventured into PPP land. I waste enough time here. Baby.
BRAWNDO Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I have question, did that stadium report ever get released? I remember being told it was postponed like a month ago, dont remember anything since then. It was supposed to release info on different sites for a possible stadium, like costs. Im wondering if all that info gets released after a new owner is identified, No it has not I have a feeling they are going to wait until the ownership situation becomes more settled and possibly get some input from them prior to releasing it. Based on the estimates coming out that the Bills make 30 Million per season, but could make 60 Million in a new stadium, I have a feeling on which direction the new owner will be leaning.
The Senator Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Approximately two years after most of us ever even heard of Terry Pegula, his Harbor Center project stands nearly completed and ready to open (including two full-sized hockey rinks/arenas, which will be Canisius College's home ice, plus a 200 room full service hotel etc., etc.). The plan for such a project didn't exist until after Pegs bought the Sabres. He didn't own the land, nor were any environmental studies completed for such a project. Yet, here we are, two years later, the project stands nearly finished. Do not be so skeptical of Mr. Pegula's ability to complete a stadium project in three years (assuming, as I do, that he prevails in his bid to acquire the Bills). Edited August 10, 2014 by The Senator
Kelly the Dog Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 The Dean and now The Senator? What's next? Hogboy challenging posters to spearing contests?!
The Senator Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I believe you forgot something, Senator. 19 and 0 baby!!!!
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 The Dean and now The Senator? What's next? Hogboy challenging posters to spearing contests?! Does anyone want help with their homework or pirating? Anyone know any good recipes? 19 and 0 baby!!!! Hell yes.
TheFunPolice Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I wonder how quickly an NFL stadium could be completed assuming the goal was to get it done ASAP but still have the same finished product
The Dean Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Approximately two years after most of us ever even heard of Terry Pegula, his Harbor Center project stands nearly completed and ready to open (including two full-sized hockey rinks/arenas, which will be Canisius College's home ice, plus a 200 room full service hotel etc., etc.). The plan for such a project didn't exist until after Pegs bought the Sabres. He didn't own the land, nor were any environmental studies completed for such a project. Yet, here we are, two years later, the project stands nearly finished. Do not be so skeptical of Mr. Pegula's ability to complete a stadium project in three years (assuming, as I do, that he prevails in his bid to acquire the Bills). Aren't you the guy who claimed the Bass Pro, and the New Peace Bridge were DONE DEALS? But I do like Pegula and if anyone can get it done quickly it is he. Still gonna take five years, at least. Mark it down. Nice to see you posting Sen. Hope you are feeling good.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I wonder how quickly an NFL stadium could be completed assuming the goal was to get it done ASAP but still have the same finished product 3 years. Some have talked retrofit but the problem with a retrofit is there is no stadium to play in for probably a year while they do major renovations, Do we play on the road for a year? Maybe play in Syracuse?
The Dean Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 19 and 0 baby!!!! Crap. I thought the Bills had a chance this year. Let the stupid begin!
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Aren't you the guy who claimed the Bass Pro, and the New Peace Bridge were DONE DEALS? But I do like Pegula and if anyone can get it done quickly it is he. Still gonna take five years, at least. Mark it down. Nice to see you posting Sen. Hope you are feeling good. Its all about money. If Pegula wants a stadium it will get done fast. Also the rumor about the capital gains tax savings if that $1.75 billion is reinvested into his company. There is a time table on that. Im going to guess that the Pegula's planed to buy the Bills when they were planning to buy the Sabres. I dont believe they just all of sudden said hey, lets buy the Bills. Edited August 10, 2014 by TheTruthHurts
The Dean Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Its all about money. If Pegula wants a stadium it will get done fast. Also the rumor about the capital gains tax savings if that $1.75 billion is reinvested into his company. There is a time table on that. Im going to guess that the Pegula's planed to buy the Bills when they were planning to buy the Sabres. I dont believe they just all of sudden said hey, lets buy the Bills. I agree. But I doubt he has designed a stadium, without a site, already. This, like the sale, is a process. Buffalo is a very tough city to get things done quickly. If he gets it done in three years AFTER approval, he will have done very well. Approval and planning will take time. There will be a lot of infighting on the location, I think. 2019-2020 sounds about right to me. Could be longer, though.
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Aren't you the guy who claimed the Bass Pro, and the New Peace Bridge were DONE DEALS? But I do like Pegula and if anyone can get it done quickly it is he. Still gonna take five years, at least. Mark it down. Nice to see you posting Sen. Hope you are feeling good. We'll be in a war with Canada before The Peace Bridge ever gets done.
K-9 Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 If Pegula puts up the lion's share towards a new stadium, and I think he will, I think any location he wants will be met with far less red tape than other Buffalo projects in the past. He's acquired "favored son" status already in the city. But first things first. GO BILLS!!!
Beerball Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 I have question, did that stadium report ever get released? I remember being told it was postponed like a month ago, dont remember anything since then. It was supposed to release info on different sites for a possible stadium, like costs. Im wondering if all that info gets released after a new owner is identified, I think I remember reading something saying it would be delayed. As far as I know, it has not been released. It's just a study that will identify the "best" potential sites I believe (correct me if I'm wrong). The new owner will be intimately involved in all of the plans surrounding a new stadium with location very high on the priority list. Approximately two years after most of us ever even heard of Terry Pegula, his Harbor Center project stands nearly completed and ready to open (including two full-sized hockey rinks/arenas, which will be Canisius College's home ice, plus a 200 room full service hotel etc., etc.). The plan for such a project didn't exist until after Pegs bought the Sabres. He didn't own the land, nor were any environmental studies completed for such a project. Yet, here we are, two years later, the project stands nearly finished. Do not be so skeptical of Mr. Pegula's ability to complete a stadium project in three years (assuming, as I do, that he prevails in his bid to acquire the Bills). Well, hello there!
Who is Yuri? Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Tomorrow, it will be 3 1/2 years since Pegula bought the Sabres. The year before Pegula took ownership, under Golisano, the Sabres won the Northeast division with a 61% winning percentage. In the ensuing seasons, that percentage has receded further each season: 58%... 54%... 50%... 31%. Last year was an all-time franchise record low winning percentage. For the time being, I don't think that the argument that Pegula will bring a Superbowl to the Buffalo Bills is anything other than blind optimism. On the other side of the coin, I think that the Harborcenter will be a nice feature to the ongoing Canalside development. It's a great project, but the Harborcenter would likely have fallen through without the $37 million in tax incentives that Pegula lobbied for. Carl Paladino's competing project for the Webster Block may have received similar incentives, but one of Paladino's selling points for the project was that it would be minimally subsidized. Regardless of whether Pegula or Paladino developed the land, and whether it was highly or minimally subsidized by taxpayers, it's nice to see a project nearing completion again at Canalside. Speaking of lobbying, though, I have reservations about the Bills being used as a device to leverage state and county politicians on legislature, in the way that Pegula has used the Sabres. I am glad that other bidders are stepping up, not named Trump or Bon Jovi, that are committed to keeping the team in Buffalo. Competition is a good thing.
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 10, 2014 Posted August 10, 2014 Tomorrow, it will be 3 1/2 years since Pegula bought the Sabres. The year before Pegula took ownership, under Golisano, the Sabres won the Northeast division with a 61% winning percentage. In the ensuing seasons, that percentage has receded further each season: 58%... 54%... 50%... 31%. Last year was an all-time franchise record low winning percentage. For the time being, I don't think that the argument that Pegula will bring a Superbowl to the Buffalo Bills is anything other than blind optimism. On the other side of the coin, I think that the Harborcenter will be a nice feature to the ongoing Canalside development. It's a great project, but the Harborcenter would likely have fallen through without the $37 million in tax incentives that Pegula lobbied for. Carl Paladino's competing project for the Webster Block may have received similar incentives, but one of Paladino's selling points for the project was that it would be minimally subsidized. Regardless of whether Pegula or Paladino developed the land, and whether it was highly or minimally subsidized by taxpayers, it's nice to see a project nearing completion again at Canalside. Speaking of lobbying, though, I have reservations about the Bills being used as a device to leverage state and county politicians on legislature, in the way that Pegula has used the Sabres. I am glad that other bidders are stepping up, not named Trump or Bon Jovi, that are committed to keeping the team in Buffalo. Competition is a good thing. Darcy I thought you moved to Calgary, glad theres no hard feeling though.
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