The Dean Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 That's good enough for me. Watch it, bub! Reminds me of The Dean : ( I'm always lurking, Hazed. tis true...he's lurking out there somewhere thinking to himself...that goddamn beerball is using my trademark! That's exactly what I'm thinking. Yep, he's making notes. You bet your arse I'm making notes. I'm a bit confused about why Golisano is bidding, He made a point of saying he would be available to help keep the Bills in Buffalo, but made it clear he wasn't "possessed" to be the Bills owner. He almost made it seem like he would be a reluctant bidder if no local options emerged. I honestly figured Pegula's interest would relieve him of any responsibility he felt to the area. Pegula is clearly keeping the Bills in the Bufftown. I had to wonder if he was bidding simply to let the Bon Jovi group (and perhaps Trump) know they will have to outbid two "local" guys, not one. Now, if it's true the Wilsons want Golisano (I'm not sure how we know that) it might simply be a bid to save face. Or perhaps it is a bid to ensure there are enough bidders in the process to make sure they are getting top price. I don't begrudge them that. For the record: Pegula Golisano Trump Bon Jovi isn't getting the team based on many factors. I don't think people should be worried about that anymore (I never was). Nonetheless, I will continue my life long boycott of Bon Jovi based solely on his horrible music.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 It is a non issue. The trust will not sell to someone that has an interest in moving the team to Toronto -period. It makes for a good story that a celebrity wants in and that's why it has gotten so much traction. Buffalo is not at risk of losing its franchise. This hypothetical has very little chance of happening but what happens if, say, The Trust does the impossible and awards it to the Toronto group (believe me, I know this isn't happening but I'm curious as to what would happen). Then the NFL, which they would surely do IMO, votes against them, knowing full well it would be a public relations disaster, and the worst thing that could happen to the image conscious league, spending five-eight years of 15,000 at the games, the city booing its owner who cannot even show his face in the city, constant threats of lawsuits and anti-trust exemption status being contested in congress, no players wanting to come to Buffalo because no one shows up at the games, embarrassing Goodyear blimp shots, etc? Does the trust then have to go back and sell it to another bidder that would keep the team local? For less money? Who could be approved? Again, I know this has no chance. But is that how it would work, they would have to accept a different bid? I don't see any other possibility.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I`m not the one that lives in manhatten. How`s that air ? I`ve got 30 acres,What do you have 30 ft. leased. Living the dream ?
The Wiz Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 This hypothetical has very little chance of happening but what happens if, say, The Trust does the impossible and awards it to the Toronto group (believe me, I know this isn't happening but I'm curious as to what would happen). Then the NFL, which they would surely do IMO, votes against them, knowing full well it would be a public relations disaster, and the worst thing that could happen to the image conscious league, spending five-eight years of 15,000 at the games, the city booing its owner who cannot even show his face in the city, constant threats of lawsuits and anti-trust exemption status being contested in congress, no players wanting to come to Buffalo because no one shows up at the games, embarrassing Goodyear blimp shots, etc? Does the trust then have to go back and sell it to another bidder that would keep the team local? For less money? Who could be approved? Again, I know this has no chance. But is that how it would work, they would have to accept a different bid? I don't see any other possibility. I believe they do need to pick another bid then in that case. I'm sure there is about a 10 pages on such a scenario but I'm not gonna look for it
bbb Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Now, if it's true the Wilsons want Golisano (I'm not sure how we know that) I'd like to know where this came from all of a sudden myself?!?
TheZone78 Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 A Buffalo area competition is great news in my opinion. It's the last nail in the Toronto Groups coffin assuming of course they are getting serious consideration. If Golisano is bidding, it tells me the Bills are a license to print money. I'm fine with Pegula, Golisano and Trump for that matter. It's great to have some abundance minded entrepreneurs running the Bills.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Someone from the local media Truth spoke with. I'm not saying it's no true, but being the local media(or any media source), I am skeptical. That combined with the ny post story today that Golisano is indeed entering the race this coming Tuesday. Although I am not sure that is gospel either.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Wishfull thinking bbb. A lot of wishfull thinking. Talk is cheap. Don`t believe anything until the Bills org .announces it.
The Wiz Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) That combined with the ny post story today that Golisano is indeed entering the race this coming Tuesday. Although I am not sure that is gospel either. I don't mind the possibility of him throwing in a bid. It's the whole "the trust wants Golisano" that I am skeptical of. Well that was weird. Had two separate posts and deleted one and both were deleted. Edited August 2, 2014 by The Wiz
Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I don't mind the possibility of him throwing in a bid. It's the whole "the trust wants Golisano" that I am skeptical of. Well that was weird. Had two separate posts and deleted one and both were deleted. I am more than a little skeptical about that part.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I don't mind the possibility of him throwing in a bid. It's the whole "the trust wants Golisano" that I am skeptical of. Right. But the trust as a whole is very likely just like a lot of us. They want first and foremost (along with a nice paycheck) for the Bills to stay in Buffalo. They are happy if not thrilled with the idea of either TP or TG, but for whatever personal reasons have one they may prefer. Different people will have different priorities in their personal hierarchy. For me, I like the deep pockets and the family of Pegula. For the trust it simply could be keeping all of their family friends, Ralph's cronies, in their jobs. It's not that they don't like Pegula, and it may be that they love Pegula, too. But if all things considered, and the money is the same, they may lean toward Golisano. In the end, IMO, the money is not going to be the same, and they will chose TP.
The Wiz Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I am more than a little skeptical about that part. You're allowed to be. You're the one hearing the conversations while hiding in the bathroom stall
Augie Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I'm fine with Pegula, Golisano and Trump for that matter. It's great to have some abundance minded entrepreneurs running the Bills. Trump is not on my list. Has he EVER been in anything for the long haul? Or is it all about self-promoting and flipping (or bankrupting) things for the best possible financial outcome for.... Trump? No trust there.
purple haze Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) Agreed. I have nothing against Golisano as the Bills owner. I just prefer Pegula for a couple reasons. There is nothing that Golisano has ever said or done that would make me believe even after he passed that the team was allowed to move. In fact, I think just the opposite and he would ensure it. I would just prefer TP to TG. I prefer the Pegulas as well. Just a gut feeling I have about them. I think owning the Sabres and, if it came to pass, the Bills plays into a bigger plan on their part in terms of developing the city. I don't think the Harbor center is the last stop and a stadium for the Bills would be part of a bigger development plan for the area, not just a stadium. Just my gut feeling they have bigger plans in mind surrounding a Bills purchase. Edited August 2, 2014 by purple haze
Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 You're allowed to be. You're the one hearing the conversations while hiding in the bathroom stall My tape recorder is always on. It is just a little different than what I have heard. There aren't many free loaders left as RB put a halt to the gravy train over the last 7-8 years. The majority of people there are good at what they do.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I prefer the Pegulas as well. Just a gut feeling I have about them. I think owning the Sabres and, if it came to pass, the Bills plays into a bigger plan on their part in terms of developing the city. I don't think the Harbor center is the last stop and a stadium for the Bills would be part of a bigger development plan for the area, not just a stadium. Just my gut feeling they have bigger plans in mind surrounding a Bills purchase. Yup. All of that. Plus, like he did with the Sabres, he will spend a lot of money on off the field stuff like scouts, coaches, technology, etc.
The Wiz Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 My tape recorder is always on. It is just a little different than what I have heard. There aren't many free loaders left as RB put a halt to the gravy train over the last 7-8 years. The majority of people there are good at what they do. Hopefully only when you're working I honestly like the fact that RB has done that. It really does remind me a lot of the Pegula camp. He makes himself seem like a minority owner with how little we(the general public) hear from him and his camp. That's one reason I like him. He always plays it close to the vest and never shows his hand until the last second. Trump plays with his cards facing out and Golisano just puts a bad taste in my mouth from is Sabres days. I know he saved the team, but after the initial buying of the team, he basically ruled with an iron fist and an empty wallet just to be sure they didn't lose money. That's also a reason I think he sold the team to Pegula when he did. He made the team profitable while handcuffing the GM to making 1-3 year deals when the rest of the NHL was making 5-8 year deal. He knew it was going to come to the point where he was going to start having to spend more to make more and didn't want to stick around for the long haul. Hence my OSP reference. I don't want that for the bills even though the NFL is a much more lucrative market.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Hopefully only when you're working I honestly like the fact that RB has done that. It really does remind me a lot of the Pegula camp. He makes himself seem like a minority owner with how little we(the general public) hear from him and his camp. That's one reason I like him. He always plays it close to the vest and never shows his hand until the last second. Trump plays with his cards facing out and Golisano just puts a bad taste in my mouth from is Sabres days. I know he saved the team, but after the initial buying of the team, he basically ruled with an iron fist and an empty wallet just to be sure they didn't lose money. That's also a reason I think he sold the team to Pegula when he did. He made the team profitable while handcuffing the GM to making 1-3 year deals when the rest of the NHL was making 5-8 year deal. He knew it was going to come to the point where he was going to start having to spend more to make more and didn't want to stick around for the long haul. Hence my OSP reference. I don't want that for the bills even though the NFL is a much more lucrative market. But, if Golisano ran the Bills exactly like he ran the Sabres, the Bills would be amongst the biggest spenders in the league. His ONLY edict to Quinn and Darcy was "do not lose money." That was it. If he said that to Littman, Overdorf, Whaley, etc., the Bills could or would be spending 30-40 million more per year that we do now on free agents, keeping their own and paying for others.
Jerry Jabber Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Has there been any official word about the Toronto group being selected (or not) as finalists in the bidding process?
Buffaloed in Pa Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 None . I don`t know where all these posters are getting info. Toronto news reporters. Nothing official yet. Ehh.
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