Clippers of Nfl Posted August 5, 2014 Author Posted August 5, 2014 I LAUGHED at the notion of Tuel being taken as a UDFA. He was a lousy college QB with mediocre arm strength... I never thought he'd make the roster, but with limited competition, it wasn't hard to imagine. That aside, EJ manuel has yet to separate himself from his understudies. -When we took him, he was the best QB available. Of that, I have zero doubt. However since that time EJ hasn't progressed in a way that would make him a viable NFL starter. Yah, I know about the injuries, blah, blah... Plus the OC is TERRIBLE. -All that is understood. Still, there appears to be more questions about his ability to operate the offense. -Why is he still blowing through his progressions? What's with the dowward trajectory on his shorter throws? -Three batted balls in one series is pretty alarming. All these things are leading me to believe that Jeff Tuel is a bigger threat to EJ than we think. And if he's not, then he f#*ing SHOULD BE. Jeff throws a nice ball. Jeff is calm going through his progressions. -Moves OK in the pocket. Jeff's accuracy doesn't seem any worse than EJ's at this point. EJ is bigger, stronger, and allegedly more mobile, but at this juncture, I CAN'T honestly say he's a better QB... Therefore (Drumroll please) JEFF TUEL SHOULD GO WITH THE 1's AT CAROLINA. Give him the start. See what he does. If he stinks, we lose nothing. It may even help expedite the decision on backup QB. If he's awesome, then EJ has a major problem... Could be the kick in the pants he needs to get better FASTER. If Tuel can operate Hackett's dry, primitve, and predictable offense better than EJ can, then he should be given consideration as starter. It's only fair. I'm nowhere near being a fan of his, but if there was ever a "Tuel time" -it's now. No head coach in the league would do this. NO HEAD COACH IN THE WORLD WOULD DO THIS in our scenario. Ej. Drafted #1. Is without question, debate, wonder, wish, or anything like that NOT THE STARTER OF THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW. Only a Tuel fan would suggest this. After the free preseason game we got, no coach would do what you're suggesting. That would be like giving up on your first round pick. Teams do that sure. But not when he showed flashes of being a top qb and also when injuries were a factor. Fans may give up on a #1 draft pick and go with the undrafted qb who was hot LAST YEAR in preseason but took a dump on the field when it really mattered. Fans may do that. But not coaches. So my friend, I say this to you: I am so glad you're not the head coach of this team.
zow2 Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 All these things are leading me to believe that Jeff Tuel is a bigger threat to EJ than we think. And if he's not, then he f#*ing SHOULD BE. Jeff throws a nice ball. Jeff is calm going through his progressions. -Moves OK in the pocket. Jeff's accuracy doesn't seem any worse than EJ's at this point. EJ is bigger, stronger, and allegedly more mobile, but at this juncture, I CAN'T honestly say he's a better QB... Therefore (Drumroll please) JEFF TUEL SHOULD GO WITH THE 1's AT CAROLINA. Give him the start. See what he does. If he stinks, we lose nothing. It may even help expedite the decision on backup QB. If he's awesome, then EJ has a major problem... Could be the kick in the pants he needs to get better FASTER. If Tuel can operate Hackett's dry, primitve, and predictable offense better than EJ can, then he should be given consideration as starter. It's only fair. I'm nowhere near being a fan of his, but if there was ever a "Tuel time" -it's now. I hate to disappoint some people but Tuel isn't going anywhere and until EJ separates himself from the backup QB's.... this is going to be a preseason long narrative. Both EJ and Tuel seems like super nice guys, engaging and hard working. You just never know how their careers will turn out? Tuel appears smart and confident from his interviews so maybe the dude will have the light come on faster than EJ? I did like the KC game, up until that one fateful pass. I liked some of the things EJ did too last year and hated some. RIght now i can't honestly say EJ is way ahead of Tuel. Just haven't seen proof of it on the field.
Clippers of Nfl Posted August 5, 2014 Author Posted August 5, 2014 I hated Gabbert before the draft. That said, if the Bills were dumb enough to draft him, I would be all for giving him a 2nd year. And check the numbers. EJ's college career was far superior to Gabbert's. EJ's rookie year was better across the board than Gabbert. http://m.pfref.com/m...abbBl00.htm&t=0 Same with Skelton. http://m.pfref.com/m...00.htm&t=0 But didn't we trade Mario Williams for him anyways? He didn't win the job yet. Lewis, who's won NFL games, will get to play with the 2s this week. I like this move. Using the tier system, Lewis will play with a better oline, better wr core. The 2's. Tuel will play with the 3's. So what will happen this Friday? Will Thad guy Thad outperform Tuel? Will Tuel outperform That guy Thad? I cant wait till Friday!!!!
Clippers of Nfl Posted August 5, 2014 Author Posted August 5, 2014 Ej didnt do too bad game 2 last year either. Have not heard many mentions of this game. 27/39 296 yards 1td 1int He beat CAAAAAAM in almost every single qb category. How about the game winner to Stevie J? Anyone remember that one?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Well then, let's get one of those guys. Perfect! No clue why the front office hasn't figured it out. Or better yet, pick up a third rounder that goes to the probowler and then add a 5th rounder who will be buried in the depth chart at first but grows into a hall of famer. Edited August 5, 2014 by over 20 years of fanhood
TheBrownBear Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 As a fellow west coaster I saw a lot of his games at Wazoo too and thought he stunk and was injury riddled. He got beat out by Marshall Loebbestael of all people. I wonder where he is now? He beat out Loebbestael in both 2010 and 2011. Loebbestael received extended playing time in 2011 because Tuel was hurt and Loebbestael had strung together a bunch of impressive games in his absence. Really can't pin that on Tuel other than the fact that he is injury prone. I'm laughing at myself for defending Jeff Tuel, a guy who I don't even really like or want to see as our starter. I just feel he's getting unfairly attacked because our prized investment (Manuel) isn't paying off as quickly as we'd hoped.
BillsBytheBay Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Our undrafted free agent who has shown the pro game isn't to big for him (KC) who faired well against the Giants first, second, and third string players the other night sucks now? Don't get me wrong, I don't want him to start but if an undrafted rookie free agent QB can hold his own against a top 5 defense, I'd like to see what he can do.
CountDorkula Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Our undrafted free agent who has shown the pro game isn't to big for him (KC) who faired well against the Giants first, second, and third string players the other night sucks now? Don't get me wrong, I don't want him to start but if an undrafted rookie free agent QB can hold his own against a top 5 defense, I'd like to see what he can do. You mean the game where the other offense didn't score a touchdown and still won? Where he was helped by 200 rushing yds and still lost. the one where he comlpeted less than 50% of his passes? The one where he had a wide open WR in the endzone and threw a pick 6? That one?
FireChan Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 You mean the game where the other offense didn't score a touchdown and still won? Where he was helped by 200 rushing yds and still lost. the one where he comlpeted less than 50% of his passes? The one where he had a wide open WR in the endzone and threw a pick 6? That one? You do realize we only had 200 yards rushing because KC was afraid of Tuel's arm? Right?
BillsBytheBay Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 You mean the game where the other offense didn't score a touchdown and still won? Where he was helped by 200 rushing yds and still lost. the one where he comlpeted less than 50% of his passes? The one where he had a wide open WR in the endzone and threw a pick 6? That one? that's exactly the one. Please don't think I'm trying to turn Tuel into a starter. At all. But the game doesn't look to big for him. That is a big deal.
BillsBytheBay Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 You mean the game where the other offense didn't score a touchdown and still won? Where he was helped by 200 rushing yds and still lost. the one where he comlpeted less than 50% of his passes? The one where he had a wide open WR in the endzone and threw a pick 6? That one? that's exactly the one. Please don't think I'm trying to turn Tuel into a starter. At all. But the game doesn't look to big for him. That is a big deal.
reddogblitz Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 that's exactly the one. Please don't think I'm trying to turn Tuel into a starter. At all. But the game doesn't look to big for him. That is a big deal. I usually don't like to be the grammar police, but you did it 3 times. TOO BIG, not to big. To big what? Come on man, you don't want to sound like a Tool do ya? our prized investment (Manuel) isn't paying off as quickly as we'd hoped. The night EJ was drafted everyone here and on TV said he was a project and he would take time to adjust to the pro game and learn what he needed to and improve what he needed to improve. I knew this would not go well in 2014 and it's not. Patience is a virtue (except when it comes to football!).
BillsBytheBay Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 I usually don't like to be the grammar police, but you did it 3 times. TOO BIG, not to big. To big what? Come on man, you don't want to sound like a Tool do ya? The night EJ was drafted everyone here and on TV said he was a project and he would take time to adjust to the pro game and learn what he needed to and improve what he needed to improve. I knew this would not go well in 2014 and it's not. Patience is a virtue (except when it comes to football!). one of my favorite bands ever. I'd love to sound like tool!
reddogblitz Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 one of my favorite bands ever. I'd love to sound like tool! Nice. I'm more of a Linkin Park guy myself.
major Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 NFL coaches should have open competition at every position, QB included. I don't care if you were drafted in the first round. If someone beats you out, that's life. NFL coaches play it safe because they are playing to keep their jobs. That's why many players keep their starting positions around the league. They (coaches) know the backlash of benching a first round QB would be a PR nightmare and possible unemployment.
T master Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Tuel has already amply demonstrated he is not the answer, any more than EJ is. Sadly, what Tuel has, EJ lacks. What EJ has, Tuel lacks. We need the best skills of each to merge into one player. That won't happen anytime soon. The next Jim Kelly for our team is not currently on the roster. Get used to that. DITTO !! We need to trade them both for Mallet !!
FireChan Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 NFL coaches should have open competition at every position, QB included. I don't care if you were drafted in the first round. If someone beats you out, that's life. NFL coaches play it safe because they are playing to keep their jobs. That's why many players keep their starting positions around the league. They (coaches) know the backlash of benching a first round QB would be a PR nightmare and possible unemployment. You're right and wrong. If their first round QB that they drafted gets beat out, they'll start the guy who beats him out. But they would never, ever, say anything like that until it happens. The PR nightmare starts when they give pieces to the media. If Tuel flat-out beat EJ in everything, I have no doubt Marrone would start him.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 NFL coaches should have open competition at every position, QB included. I don't care if you were drafted in the first round. If someone beats you out, that's life. NFL coaches play it safe because they are playing to keep their jobs. That's why many players keep their starting positions around the league. They (coaches) know the backlash of benching a first round QB would be a PR nightmare and possible unemployment. You have no idea how football practice works. You need to give your starter as many reps as possible. It's not high school. The only place where Tuel is on the same level as EJ is by a few wackos here. Tuel has not outperformed EJ as a qb ever in his life. It's the reason EJ is a starter while Tuel is competing for a backup job.
Clippers of Nfl Posted August 5, 2014 Author Posted August 5, 2014 NFL coaches should have open competition at every position, QB included. I don't care if you were drafted in the first round. If someone beats you out, that's life. NFL coaches play it safe because they are playing to keep their jobs. That's why many players keep their starting positions around the league. They (coaches) know the backlash of benching a first round QB would be a PR nightmare and possible unemployment. No they shouldn't. It's not always a positive thing. They create controversies. They hurt the team/locker. Confuses the team. Affects the confidence of the starter (See Kyle vs Tebow) Affects the rythim of the offense and receivers. Yeah I know it's an exxagerated example, but should they have a qb competion in Denver? Hell no. They have the best qb of all time. Right now the true starter, Ej Manuel, wether anybody likes it or not, needs to practice with the starters. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with head coach job security.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 I guess the ultimate question is: what are the expectations of Tuel? If he can be developed into a good decision maker, good in the pocket, protects the ball, questionable arm/can't make all the throws type of QB, that seems like a guy we want as a backup. Same goes for Thad, frankly. Based on what I have seen, Tuel seems more likely to get there.
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