Ted Washington NEEDS to be in the HOF

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Washington has been selected to four Pro Bowls in his career and won a Super Bowl ring with the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVIII. At 6'5" and more than 375 pounds in his prime, he has been described as “the prototypical [3-4] nose tackle of this era.”^[1] His gargantuan frame earned him nicknames like "Mt. Washington" or "Washington Monument".^[2] Also notable for his longevity, Washington was a starting nose tackle—one of the most physically demanding positions in football^[1]—until the age of 39.^[3]

 

He was signed by the Buffalo Bills as an unrestricted free agent on February 24, 1995. Playing nose tackle, Washington lined up next to defensive end Bruce Smith in Buffalo's 3-4 defense. In his first season he posted 86 tackles in 16 regular season games and two post season ones. In his second season with the Bills he recorded career numbers with 130 tackles. In the 1997 season, he recorded 124 tackles and four sacks. He was also selected to his first Pro Bowl. The following season he was again selected to the Pro Bowl after finishing the year with 101 tackles and 4.5 sacks, which was a career high. In 1998, he again started in all 16 games and finished the season with 87 tackles. Washington was selected to do his third Pro Bowl in the 2000 season after recording 86 tackles and 2.5 sacks.

 

16 years, 236 career games, 693 combined tackles, 34.5 sacks

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Washington

 

To me Ted is the greatest Nose Tackle to play the game. What the stats don't show is how many double teams he took on and shoved past the line of scrimmage, freeing up Bruce, Brice, Biscuit and the rest to make sacks and tackles.

 

Who could forget Bill Parcells gushing about how unmovable Ted was and how he would bet big money that he was closer to 380 than 325 and he specifically signed Kevin Mawea, one of the greatest centers, to "try" and control Mt. Washington.

 

I couldn't find any highlights on him but we all know he manhandled his opponents.

[justnzane]

Ted was a great player, but he was very good, not legendary as far as NFL terms go. In order to be a HOF'er you need a prolonged period of dominance. 4 years of pro-bowl caliber play is generally not enough to get one in. Ruben Brown stands a better chance, imo.

[Prickly Pete]

yeah, the attitude of entitlement from some Bills fans is getting out of hand.

 

All the Bills players that should be in, are in.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Ted was a great player, but he was very good, not legendary as far as NFL terms go. In order to be a HOF'er you need a prolonged period of dominance. 4 years of pro-bowl caliber play is generally not enough to get one in. Ruben Brown stands a better chance, imo.

 

maybe, but he should have been in a lot more pro bowls. Nose tackle isn't listed for the hall but it should be as Ted is legendary for that position.

 

yeah, the attitude of entitlement from some Bills fans is getting out of hand.

 

All the Bills players that should be in, are in.

 

What are you talking about? entitlement? Ted is the best NT ever, period.

[justnzane]

During Ted's era, you have to compare him to Kennedy, Sapp, and Randle who played DT as well, but were able to disrupt the passing game which created more appealing stats. Ted will be unappreciated because his job was to occupy blockers as opposed to getting tackles and sacks. Another disadvantage is that he will be perceived as one-dimensional in his game where as the previously mentioned DT's could stop the run or attack the QB.

[KOKBILLS]

maybe, but he should have been in a lot more pro bowls. Nose tackle isn't listed for the hall but it should be as Ted is legendary for that position.

 

What are you talking about? entitlement? Ted is the best NT ever, period.

During Ted's era, you have to compare him to Kennedy, Sapp, and Randle who played DT as well, but were able to disrupt the passing game which created more appealing stats. Ted will be unappreciated because his job was to occupy blockers as opposed to getting tackles and sacks. Another disadvantage is that he will be perceived as one-dimensional in his game where as the previously mentioned DT's could stop the run or attack the QB.

 

I tend to agree with both these takes...Big Ted had to compete for Pro Bowls with players who had better stats, but no DT in his era was more effective at his job than Washington...He absolutely dominated the middle of the field in his prime...

 

It is interesting also that SI named Teddy the best player ever Drafted at #25 overall (though surprisingly he did not have a lot of competition for that honor...The history of #25 overall is not great ...)

 

That being said it's going to be awfully hard for Teddy to get in...I think though, if the votes came from only Centers, Guards, and RB's, Teddy would be a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer...I just don't see how anyone could be considered a better 3-4 NT than Washington was in his prime...And he had a pretty lengthy prime...If the HOF is simply about which players were the best at what they did...Teddy should be in it...

Edited August 3, 2014 by KOKBILLS

[Buffalo Barbarian]

During Ted's era, you have to compare him to Kennedy, Sapp, and Randle who played DT as well, but were able to disrupt the passing game which created more appealing stats. Ted will be unappreciated because his job was to occupy blockers as opposed to getting tackles and sacks. Another disadvantage is that he will be perceived as one-dimensional in his game where as the previously mentioned DT's could stop the run or attack the QB.

 

This is true but this is why he needs to go in as a NT, which has/does an important role in the league. If the best punter can get in then the best NT should too.

 

I just don't see how anyone could be considered a better 3-4 NT than Washington was in his prime...And he had a pretty lengthy prime...If the HOF is simply about which players were the best at what they did...Teddy should be in it...

 

:thumbsup:

[Harveyj001]

There are several Bills players that deserve consideration, I think the only one that truly deserves it to get in is Steve Tasker, for the same reasons Ray Guy got in. He won't, until possibly by the senior committee, but he deserves it. I do like the idea of a separate contributor category, so coaches and the like don't take away from the deserving players getting in.

Edited August 3, 2014 by Harveyj001

[BuffaloBill]

 

All the Bills players that should be in, are in.

 

Tanker should be in though will never get in.

 

 

[truth on hold]

If I could pick one player on defense for the super bowl teams that wasn't a bill during that time, big ted is probably it. Jeff wright wasn't bad but he just wasnt force we needed in the middle of a 3-4 defense.

Ted, Chris Jenkins and Vince wilfork are the 3 best NTs I've seen

Edited August 3, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack

[Charles Romes]

Bills defense v. the run (YPA) during teds tenure:

 

95 7

96 1

97 6

98 15 (5th in yards)

99 3

00 4

01 24 (after departure)

 

Chicago in 00 v run (before ted): 19 yards, 10 YPA

Chicago in 01 with Ted: 2 yards, 4 YPA

In 02 (Ted injured) 26 yards, 15 YPA.

 

NWE 2002 v run before Ted: 31 yards 29 YPA

With Ted (at 35) in 03: 4 yards 6 YPA.

 

I have not looked at the Ted effect in his early career.

[Captain Caveman]

maybe, but he should have been in a lot more pro bowls. Nose tackle isn't listed for the hall but it should be as Ted is legendary for that position.

 

 

 

What are you talking about? entitlement? Ted is the best NT ever, period.

 

I'm not sure I agree that he was even the best Bills NT. They played in different eras, but I would say Smerlas was at least as dominant in his era.

[8-8 Forever?]

Um. No. Be a long time before NTs get in the Hall; an relatively innocuous position with less impact on the game. . Plus he only put up a few great seasons. Need to do it for 8,9,10 years.

[Mr. WEO]

So, Washington should be the http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/169410-next-buffalo-bill-in-the-hof/ ?

 

 

IN IN IN

Edited August 3, 2014 by Mr. WEO

[Tyrod's Tailor]

I saw someone suggest Pozluzny is a potential HOFer on this board a couple days ago. It made me laugh.

[JohnC]

Washington has been selected to four Pro Bowls in his career and won a Super Bowl ring with the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVIII. At 6'5" and more than 375 pounds in his prime, he has been described as “the prototypical [3-4] nose tackle of this era.”^[1] His gargantuan frame earned him nicknames like "Mt. Washington" or "Washington Monument".^[2] Also notable for his longevity, Washington was a starting nose tackle—one of the most physically demanding positions in football^[1]—until the age of 39.^[3]

 

He was signed by the Buffalo Bills as an unrestricted free agent on February 24, 1995. Playing nose tackle, Washington lined up next to defensive end Bruce Smith in Buffalo's 3-4 defense. In his first season he posted 86 tackles in 16 regular season games and two post season ones. In his second season with the Bills he recorded career numbers with 130 tackles. In the 1997 season, he recorded 124 tackles and four sacks. He was also selected to his first Pro Bowl. The following season he was again selected to the Pro Bowl after finishing the year with 101 tackles and 4.5 sacks, which was a career high. In 1998, he again started in all 16 games and finished the season with 87 tackles. Washington was selected to do his third Pro Bowl in the 2000 season after recording 86 tackles and 2.5 sacks.

 

16 years, 236 career games, 693 combined tackles, 34.5 sacks

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Washington

 

To me Ted is the greatest Nose Tackle to play the game. What the stats don't show is how many double teams he took on and shoved past the line of scrimmage, freeing up Bruce, Brice, Biscuit and the rest to make sacks and tackles.

 

Who could forget Bill Parcells gushing about how unmovable Ted was and how he would bet big money that he was closer to 380 than 325 and he specifically signed Kevin Mawea, one of the greatest centers, to "try" and control Mt. Washington.

 

I couldn't find any highlights on him but we all know he manhandled his opponents.

 

Please stop it! Your HOF comments regarding Washington are even more zany than your lofty view of John Skelton. Being a homer is one thing but not being grounded to reality is cause to have someone from the mental health profession forcibly dress you in a straitjacket. Again, just stop it!

[White Linen]

Please stop it! Your HOF comments regarding Washington are even more zany than your lofty view of John Skelton. Being a homer is one thing but not being grounded to reality is cause to have someone from the mental health profession forcibly dress you in a straitjacket. Again, just stop it!

 

I hate having to read posts like this.

[machine gun kelly]

Please stop it! Your HOF comments regarding Washington are even more zany than your lofty view of John Skelton. Being a homer is one thing but not being grounded to reality is cause to have someone from the mental health profession forcibly dress you in a straitjacket. Again, just stop it!

 

John, take it easy on BB. Please don't make this stuff personal as it's just his point of view. I believe Smerlas was an excellent NT for us as well as TW. I'm not sure if they will ever be considered for the HOF, nor Tasker. Maybe, but it will be a stretch. The most likely is Polian as this new contributor role takes place each year, but he'll need to be out of the league for another 3 years. What he did with a down organization in Buffalo, started a new organization and built it up quickly, then breathed life into Indy was amazing. I look forward to that day as Mr. Polian is true class, and love listenting to him on NFL Radio, or watching him on ESPN.

[JohnC]

 

 

John, take it easy on BB. Please don't make this stuff personal as it's just his point of view. I believe Smerlas was an excellent NT for us as well as TW. I'm not sure if they will ever be considered for the HOF, nor Tasker. Maybe, but it will be a stretch. The most likely is Polian as this new contributor role takes place each year, but he'll need to be out of the league for another 3 years. What he did with a down organization in Buffalo, started a new organization and built it up quickly, then breathed life into Indy was amazing. I look forward to that day as Mr. Polian is true class, and love listenting to him on NFL Radio, or watching him on ESPN.

 

I take note of the two previous posts and apologize to BB. It was outside the bounds and the way I usually participate. He is entitled to his opinion without casting personal insults. Again, I sincerely appologize to the Barbarian.

[eme123]

Coffee all over my screen.

 

Ted Washington in the HOF????