CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 good RBs make all the runs and don't need excuses why they can't. Versatile running backs do that... Or power running backs... True elite running backs.... Yes.... He isn't built for that.... I concur... He's a weapon....
Fan in San Diego Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 RBs that were top 10 draft picks, in their contract year, and about to get their big money contracts need to be able to do these things to be talked about like they are the best player on the team. He's not any of those. I agree, but the OL last year was not helping him all that much. If this Ol can at least be average. Spiller's stats will go way up.
RuntheDamnBall Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Freddy wasn't a top 10 pick. He also doesn't receive all the excuses that CJ does. Yes. We are fans and I've stated before that I hope I'm wrong. But the facts are, that I'm not wrong in this. At least haven't been. Because CJ has an average of 755 yards a season and 3tds for his career. OMG!!!! Hall OF Fame... Watch out!!! Cherry picking stats is fun. But going with average yards per season doesn't tell the whole story and you know it. You don't get to average his yards per season and ignore his YPC. Not when he's clearly not been the A1 feature back for most of that time - a point that even you would concede.
T master Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Disclaimer I think this guy is a tool and he may just be speculating His article also referred to "Tom" Pegula http://mweb.cbssport...j-manuel-better "I'd expect the Bills to field calls for running backs if contending teams continue to lose them (Vick Ballard and Kendall Hunter already out for the year). Buffalo has more backs than it needs, probably, and C.J. Spiller, in the final year of his deal and with no extension in sight, could be the odd man out. I anticipate Fred Jackson being a Bill for life, and he could end up with a few new years on his deal, and the speed of Bryce Brown is impressive. Anthony Dixon supplies depth. A trade market for Spiller could well develop over the next month." And if seeing what CJ looked like in his post practice interview you can tell the guy is just about over it ! He is the ultimate team guy , he came from a winning college program , but he see's the ineptness of some of the coaches & i think he could be the next Lynch pin pulled from Buffalo to go on & win a super bowl . Plus the fact that Whaley may see the need for a first round pick next year to cover his A** for a real NFL QB ...
Best Player Available Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 And if seeing what CJ looked like in his post practice interview you can tell the guy is just about over it ! He is the ultimate team guy , he came from a winning college program , but he see's the ineptness of some of the coaches & i think he could be the next Lynch pin pulled from Buffalo to go on & win a super bowl . Plus the fact that Whaley may see the need for a first round pick next year to cover his A** for a real NFL QB ... No one is giving a first for a 27 year old back. Didn't the eagles ask about CJ earlier this year? Well he is still here and will be on opening day running up the middle. I wish someone would offer a first for hack-it though.
Prickly Pete Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) CJ isn't the problem. He would be welcomed by the Pats, Broncos, Packers, Colts...teams with good QB's. He would be an incredible asset, and they would figure out ways to exploit defenses with him. A top flight QB, with Watkins and CJ, would have DC's crapping their pants. Stop whining about CJ, these Bills have way bigger problems. Edited July 27, 2014 by HoF Watkins
thewildrabbit Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I think it is the play calling. Spiller is an in space runner. They kept asking him to run between the tackles with no holes being opened up. Exactly! Buddy Nix traded away the perfect RB for Nate Hackett's offense in Marshawn Lynch. Again, is it Spiller's fault that the Bills OC doesn't know how to utilize him properly. As lame as Chan Gailey was at least he knew that CJ wasn't a smash mouth up the middle RB. What does it tell you about the mentality of a coach who forces players to fit his system rather then building an attack to get the most out of their players. Also, I think the bigger problem is not with either Fred Jackson or CJ Spiller, and my take is that O line is the bigger fail as to why the backs have difficulty in running up the middle. Lets take into consideration that in many games Spiller was tackled before he even got to the LoS. Lets also not forget that even Lynch had difficulty getting yards with that craptastic O line. Levite was a top rated pass blocker, and not a top run blocker. Both Fedex, and CJ are both very unique and special backs IMO. If they do indeed trade Spiller it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him help take his new team to the SB just like Lynch did with the Seahawks. I agree, but the OL last year was not helping him all that much. If this Ol can at least be average. Spiller's stats will go way up. It really amazes me that most fans simply don't get this.
T master Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Getting rid of CJ would show as much fore sight as paying Fitz his huge contract , as cutting him after said contract , as Hiring the least qualified HC out of 4 interviewed , as drafting a second round QB in the first round in a year where the QB talent was below average to say the least , as firing a top ST coordinator & O line coach after having both squads performing at the top of the league & hiring a ST's coordinator that was in the bottom of the league in his previous place of employment . But hopefully the new GM can see all the past happenings & has the moxy & the guts to change things here , let's hope so !! Unless of coarse Whaley brought in the guy from Philly to look to that future & can get a first round pick for CJ or trades CJ for a QB (only if EJ sucks it up this year) that can out do our current roster of QB's .
Peter Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Trading CJ would be dumb. We should re-sign the guy. CJ is a great teammate, has elite talent, and is a lot tougher than the keyboard jockeys here and the News. Re Bryce Brown, do a little research on his college "career" and ask yourself who you would rather have as a teammate.
Delete This Account Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 very unlikely. is the answer to the topic of this thread. jw
Section242 Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Trading CJ would be dumb. We should re-sign the guy. CJ is a great teammate, has elite talent, and is a lot tougher than the keyboard jockeys here and the News. Re Bryce Brown, do a little research on his college "career" and ask yourself who you would rather have as a teammate. Bryce Brown has started two games since high school so he's the answer right? Dixon did average 2.0 ypc last season. Creating holes where their isn't one is a good way for the Bills to continue striving for 6-10 or 7-9.
K-9 Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 very unlikely. is the answer to the topic of this thread. jw Somebody needs to gently break this to mr ags. He won't be happy until CJ and KW leave town. GO BILLS!!!
OCinBuffalo Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Somebody needs to gently break this to mr ags. He won't be happy until CJ and KW leave town. GO BILLS!!! Somebody needs to gently break it to a whole lot of people, here and elsewhere, that click-whoring is now the default business process for the media. I nominate wawrow, because, with that "Bon Jovi scouted stadium sites in Toronto" story, he can explain the difference between the real journalism that he does, and click-whoring. And, I don't even like wawrow. Well, except when he's unkowningly buying me a beer.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Disclaimer I think this guy is a tool and he may just be speculating His article also referred to "Tom" Pegula http://mweb.cbssport...j-manuel-better "I'd expect the Bills to field calls for running backs if contending teams continue to lose them (Vick Ballard and Kendall Hunter already out for the year). Buffalo has more backs than it needs, probably, and C.J. Spiller, in the final year of his deal and with no extension in sight, could be the odd man out. I anticipate Fred Jackson being a Bill for life, and he could end up with a few new years on his deal, and the speed of Bryce Brown is impressive. Anthony Dixon supplies depth. A trade market for Spiller could well develop over the next month." Good, I was gona start a thread on trading Spiller to the colts or other needy team to get our first round pick back. Spiller has had only one good year and he doesn't fit what we want to do, which is why we traded for brown and where looking to trade up for Carlos Hyde, both physical backs. As always it depends on what they can get for him. For Richardson type of bounty you'd think about it. For a lynch like bounty you pass. If it's a win now mentality due to ownership change in the air, I only see spiller for another player. Aaron rodgers, sounds good. Seriously though I wonder if there is a up and coming QB that another team might trade spiller for, Maybe Brock Osweiler?
Beerball Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Not when he's clearly not been the A1 feature back for most of that time - Why is that do you think?
RuntheDamnBall Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Why is that do you think? Partly his own doing, part coaches misusing him, part his skill set making him not a 20-25 carry-per-game back, and part injuries. I don't think anyone would argue he's been used in the best way possible given his skill set. Also, if you have a back who does all the little things and gives effort like Fred Jackson, are you sitting him for the majority of the game for anyone, save maybe 5-10 backs in the league? CJ doesn't block as well as Freddy, he cannot make magic out of those runs up the gut, and he isn't being given the ball in all the places where he can excel. I think if he has a return to health, he will do well when used well, and I think his last season in Gailey's offense is at least a good barometer of his best. Getting rid of him for anything less than a first round pick is a waste, when he cost us a high first rounder and he can contribute here. That's not sunk cost, that's good asset management. My point was that he hasn't been getting A1 back usage, so you can't expect those numbers on a career average, as mrrags is. You can look at years he has been the feature back and has been healthy, and those years are pretty freaking good.
Beerball Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Partly his own doing, part coaches misusing him, part his skill set making him not a 20-25 carry-per-game back, and part injuries. I don't think anyone would argue he's been used in the best way possible given his skill set. Also, if you have a back who does all the little things and gives effort like Fred Jackson, are you sitting him for the majority of the game for anyone, save maybe 5-10 backs in the league? CJ doesn't block as well as Freddy, he cannot make magic out of those runs up the gut, and he isn't being given the ball in all the places where he can excel. I think if he has a return to health, he will do well when used well, and I think his last season in Gailey's offense is at least a good barometer of his best. Getting rid of him for anything less than a first round pick is a waste, when he cost us a high first rounder and he can contribute here. That's not sunk cost, that's good asset management. My point was that he hasn't been getting A1 back usage, so you can't expect those numbers on a career average, as mrrags is. You can look at years he has been the feature back and has been healthy, and those years are pretty freaking good. He won't bring a first round pick. I'd settle for a 3. Circumstances could change as the season approaches, but, I can't seen another Indy/Cleveland type deal.
RuntheDamnBall Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 He won't bring a first round pick. I'd settle for a 3. Circumstances could change as the season approaches, but, I can't seen another Indy/Cleveland type deal. I agree with the first sentence. It's a classic case of "he's worth more to us than he will fetch in a deal." I would be very unhappy with trading his production here for a 3. Others may think that production is replaceable, and that's fine, I just disagree.
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