Best Player Available Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Makes sense. Won't get much as CJ is a FA at year end. But maybe a 3rd or 4th. If it is sign and trade deal, then maybe a 2nd. First is out of the question in any scenario. Pass first league. Running backs are like Safeties. Replaceable. Worse than safeties , as RBs only last 5 or 6 years . I would trade him. We will never sign him to what he will want. and you are forgetting that they will never be able to re-sign him and he will walk for no compensation. that is reality from a front office perspective ; that is unacceptable and bad front office management. so you move him when you can get something for him. RBs are expendable in a pass-first league... see Knowshon Moreno Your thoughts on how replaceable running backs and pro bowl safety's are apparently no longer valued are clear. What are your thoughts on offensive guards and well even left tackles being easily replaced. because until Glenn got here that was a huge issue, and well the guard spots are really up for grabs now, IMO that will continue to be an issue this season. Overpaying for someone else's first round garbage just doesn't feel like a sound investment at LG. Especially when some tout the HC as some kind of O-Line guru. I would be stunned if CJ was traded or not resigned to a reasonable extension. I'm pretty sure he knows his value in the league. he is a complimentary player not a every down back. never will be.the market is aware of that. very few teams would pass him up at the right price. Bills included.
simpleman Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I can understand speculation about management trading CJ this year for a player that fits the "win now" philosophy. Current management had nothing to loose trading away next years future for Sammy this year. With new ownership by next spring being certain, it is "win now" to try to impress the new owner and beat the odds trying save your job when the new guy brings in "their own team". But why would current management get rid of CJ this year for "future considerations", when their own future depends on "winning now". The team is a weaker team without CJ, if there is no important "new cog" added in the "NOW"! And none of us can predict what will happen with contracts and negotiations next year with new ownership, new management members brought by the new owner, and a definitely unique and new business philosophy which will be set by the new owner. Next year is a total mystery, at least till we know who the new owner will be.
uncle flap Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I can understand speculation about management trading CJ this year for a player that fits the "win now" philosophy. Current management had nothing to loose trading away next years future for Sammy this year. With new ownership by next spring being certain, it is "win now" to try to impress the new owner and beat the odds trying save your job when the new guy brings in "their own team". But why would current management get rid of CJ this year for "future considerations", when their own future depends on "winning now". The team is a weaker team without CJ, if there is no important "new cog" added in the "NOW"! And none of us can predict what will happen with contracts and negotiations next year with new ownership, new management members brought by the new owner, and a definitely unique and new business philosophy which will be set by the new owner. Next year is a total mystery, at least till we know who the new owner will be. While you're right that none of us can predict with absolute certainty what will happen with new ownership, Brandon and Whaley were not looking to throw a Hail Mary with Watkins to save their jobs. They were looking to trade up and get an elite prospect long before Ralph passed. Even if they were worried about trying to impress their new owner, wouldn't they prove their worth by doing the best job possible? I wouldn't want to appear as if I was panicking. I'd want to appear as though I had a plan and am going to execute it. Which is exactly what they are doing. Anyway, it is not "win now" because of the ownership situation, it is "win now" because they've been losing. They've got a ton of talent in most areas, and often enough, adding a "difference maker" does just that: Make a difference. Coaches and GMs don't have the luxury of twiddling their thumbs. Every team in the league is in a "win now" mode.
BillsVet Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 In the defense of Spiller, I see the term "home run hitter" being used quite frequently. But on 235 touches last season CJ had only 2 TD's, and yes, I recognize he was dinged up. But therein lies the issue, and that's durability. He's never had more than 260 touches in 8 seasons of D-1 or NFL football. And that's over the course of 3 different coaching staffs (Swinney/Gailey/Marrone) When the Bills dealt for Bryce Brown and paid what they did, it said a lot about their view on Spiller. I expect this will be FJ's last season and so it leaves them with questions. Spiller will be 27 in August and while that's not old, he's not going to get the contract Jamaal Charles got. LaCanfora's point was speculative, but not out of the question. If Brown's doing well it may mean CJ isn't as valuable to this coaching staff.
mrags Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 In the defense of Spiller, I see the term "home run hitter" being used quite frequently. But on 235 touches last season CJ had only 2 TD's, and yes, I recognize he was dinged up. But therein lies the issue, and that's durability. He's never had more than 260 touches in 8 seasons of D-1 or NFL football. And that's over the course of 3 different coaching staffs (Swinney/Gailey/Marrone) When the Bills dealt for Bryce Brown and paid what they did, it said a lot about their view on Spiller. I expect this will be FJ's last season and so it leaves them with questions. Spiller will be 27 in August and while that's not old, he's not going to get the contract Jamaal Charles got. LaCanfora's point was speculative, but not out of the question. If Brown's doing well it may mean CJ isn't as valuable to this coaching staff. well said
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 ...and Lattimore...who I think becomes their RB next year. he hasn't been activated yet, but yeah. They also have lamichael James. @RQUINN619: NEW: #Bills GM Doug Whaley Has No Incentive To Trade C.J. Spiller http://t.co/LXHThVuRnU (via @TheBillsMafia)
SJDK Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 actually I was thinking that Whaley is smart enough to pull it off. The only thing I'd be ok trading spiller for is a better QB than EJ and that's not going to happen. Spiller is a very important piece to this team, just being on the field as a distraction is as big as his 5 yards every time he touches the ball. mrags, that's some real Tom Donahoe type thinking. Even some "Marshawn is just another thug, get rid of him" type thinking. It's a bad idea
mrags Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) The only thing I'd be ok trading spiller for is a better QB than EJ and that's not going to happen. Spiller is a very important piece to this team, just being on the field as a distraction is as big as his 5 yards every time he touches the ball. mrags, that's some real Tom Donahoe type thinking. Even some "Marshawn is just another thug, get rid of him" type thinking. It's a bad idea everyone keeps using this "being on the field is a distraction" argument. It's never worked. Our offense still sucks and it's been better without him on the field actually because Freddy does a better job. Is it Freddy? Maybe. Is it CJ not being as good? Maybe. Does CJ distance himself from an aging back who just like himself always seems to be hurt? Nope. And our WRs have almost never benefitted from CJ being on the field. Never. And Lynch needed to go. He wasn't worth the troubles. Hell, even the Seahawks realize that and won't resign the guy. And he's played much better for them than he has for us. Edited July 27, 2014 by mrags
Charles Romes Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 If the season goes south quick as most do, they will not clean house for draft picks unless the new owner mandates. To stay employed this regime will be on a mode of doing anything and everything to get to 8-8 right up to the end.
CodeMonkey Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Of course they would for the right price. What passes for "news" anymore is amazing. Now if he had information worth announcing like team X was interested and the price was <insert draft pick numbers here> that's great. But the Bills "may" be interested. Come on man, show a little professional pride and put a little effort into it. Edited July 27, 2014 by CodeMonkey
CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 everyone keeps using this "being on the field is a distraction" argument. It's never worked. Our offense still sucks and it's been better without him on the field actually because Freddy does a better job. Is it Freddy? Maybe. Is it CJ not being as good? Maybe. Does CJ distance himself from an aging back who just like himself always seems to be hurt? Nope. And our WRs have almost never benefitted from CJ being on the field. Never. And Lynch needed to go. He wasn't worth the troubles. Hell, even the Seahawks realize that and won't resign the guy. And he's played much better for them than he has for us. I will use your same argument... Fred has done well, and I don't mean to take anything away from him- he's my favorite Bill... But he hasn't been able to distance himself enough to warrant taking carries away from CJ either- the entire time that CJ's been in town.... The two compliment each other.... It keeps our RB's fresh... I would rather have two RB's playing that have different and defined roles that they are very capable of performing than to have one lead workhorse that only does half of the required things well... Either way, they are both currently on the roster, and as Bills fans, we should support them and hope they tear it up!!! Statistically, not a ligament or anything...
Fan in San Diego Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I think it is the play calling. Spiller is an in space runner. They kept asking him to run between the tackles with no holes being opened up.
CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) I think it is the play calling. Spiller is an in space runner. They kept asking him to run between the tackles with no holes being opened up. Yes... And to mrags point, the fact that he isn't that versatile proves that he isn't an ELITE back... He may be an elite talent, but not a true elite lead RB.... Given the proper use, he can be dangerous... Edited July 27, 2014 by CountryCletus
mrags Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I will use your same argument... Fred has done well, and I don't mean to take anything away from him- he's my favorite Bill... But he hasn't been able to distance himself enough to warrant taking carries away from CJ either- the entire time that CJ's been in town.... The two compliment each other.... It keeps our RB's fresh... I would rather have two RB's playing that have different and defined roles that they are very capable of performing than to have one lead workhorse that only does half of the required things well... Either way, they are both currently on the roster, and as Bills fans, we should support them and hope they tear it up!!! Statistically, not a ligament or anything... Freddy wasn't a top 10 pick. He also doesn't receive all the excuses that CJ does. Yes. We are fans and I've stated before that I hope I'm wrong. But the facts are, that I'm not wrong in this. At least haven't been. Because CJ has an average of 755 yards a season and 3tds for his career. OMG!!!! Hall OF Fame... Watch out!!!
CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Freddy wasn't a top 10 pick. He also doesn't receive all the excuses that CJ does. Yes. We are fans and I've stated before that I hope I'm wrong. But the facts are, that I'm not wrong in this. At least haven't been. Because CJ has an average of 755 yards a season and 3tds for his career. OMG!!!! Hall OF Fame... Watch out!!! I think you miss pro bowler and all pro, as well! Lol... HOF, probably not.... Dangerous when he touches the ball... Yes
mrags Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I think it is the play calling. Spiller is an in space runner. They kept asking him to run between the tackles with no holes being opened up. RBs that were top 10 draft picks, in their contract year, and about to get their big money contracts need to be able to do these things to be talked about like they are the best player on the team. He's not any of those.
CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 He especially excels at those designed runs between the tackles... Oh, wait...
mrags Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 I think you miss pro bowler and all pro, as well! Lol... HOF, probably not.... Dangerous when he touches the ball... Yes saying he made the pro bowl is comical. The pro bowl now is comical as it is. It always has been going back to the days of Ruben Brown who would make it every year just because he would throw a huge party every year. It's a popularity contest and CJ didn't make it without others sitting out. Try again.
CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 RBs that were top 10 draft picks, in their contract year, and about to get their big money contracts need to be able to do these things to be talked about like they are the best player on the team. He's not any of those. I think he is quite similar to Charles... Neither will succeed pounding them between the tackles... But if you can find ways to get them the ball in space, they both have the speed and moves to be a terror...
mrags Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 He especially excels at those designed runs between the tackles... Oh, wait... good RBs make all the runs and don't need excuses why they can't. I think he is quite similar to Charles... Neither will succeed pounding them between the tackles... But if you can find ways to get them the ball in space, they both have the speed and moves to be a terror... Spiller and Charles in the same conversation should never...... EVER... Happen. One is good the other sucks.
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