NoSaint Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Exactly on Gordon. That was my point. It's comparing apples to oranges. Gordon follows the strict substance abuse policy which is spelled out in the CBA. Now Incognito although different due to harassment still falls under the personal misconduct policy so you can in essence compare the two as they fall in the same bucket. One can argue the merits of what is worse and what should be the punishment, but they are still under the venue of personal misconduct. It was 4. I'm positive on that one, as the buzz was how the back up was able to get them to come out 3-1. I understand they are both conduct - but was pointing out one was in the workplace and exposed the league to legal liability while the other was only tied to the nfl because a guy that did something terrible on his own time, nowhere near team facilities/functions happened to be a player. It makes sense to me that the nfl would be more aggressive in locker room conduct than casino elevator conduct within that bucket. And I believe Big Ben got 6 but by completing some programs etc.... Had it reduced to 4
fansince88 Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Firstly let me start by saying I have never been violent with my wife or children but would be violent with anyone who attempted to harm her or my children in any way. That said I believe it is a shame the NFL does not have a "rule" about things like this. When this situation happened no rule was in place and the NFL should not be giving the room to make a "rule" at the time. This is a "rule" that needs to be made but you cannot change laws when you see something happen and then enforce them towards those who broke these laws before they were in existence. That said if there is already a "rule" in place and they did not enforce it that shame on them! As far as game suspensions that should be up to the team. I believe they should just suspend the paycheck as the suspension is more a harm for the team then the player.
KD in CA Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 This. It's unbelievable he only got 2 games. I think this will turn into a huge blackeye for the NFL after the media runs with it. I hope he is required to undergo mandatory counseling by the NFL? This is domestic violence and needs to be dealt with strongly. My fear is this was not the first time or the last time this will happen with him. When was the last time the media 'ran with' a story about domestic violence? Unfortunately, we as a society don't care about violence toward women. If we did, Ray Rice would be sitting in a prison cell for the next five years. Wife beaters are rarely if ever punished.
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Deadspin @Deadspin 52s Keith Olbermann took down the NFL last night for the Ray Rice fiasco: http://deadsp.in/j2KD3Bt
jo39416 Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/24/john-harbaugh-ray-rice-is-a-heck-of-a-guy-who-made-a-mistake/ I wish someone at that news conference had the balls to ask John if he would have felt that way if it was his daughter who was dragged out of that elevator. Continues to be disgusting behavior all around here.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I haven't read through this thread so I apologize if it is beating a dead horse but this is appalling and disappointing. This was Goodell's chance to send a message on a topic that is WAY too prevalent amongst athletes. He should have gotten 8 games (twice a PED suspension). The way that people are being punished is starting to resemble the inconsistent manner in which the NHL punishes people. This was a big, fat fail for Roger Goodell and the NFL.
IDBillzFan Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here. Don't think of this as another example of the NFL doing something stupid. Think of it a perfectly good reason to tell DirecTV that they can cancel your NFL Sunday Ticket automatic renewal because you have no intention of providing money to an organization that clearly has no problem with men beating their wives. Stay focused, people. Get the Ticket for free!
Security Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Exactly on Gordon. That was my point. It's comparing apples to oranges. Gordon follows the strict substance abuse policy which is spelled out in the CBA. Now Incognito although different due to harassment still falls under the personal misconduct policy so you can in essence compare the two as they fall in the same bucket. One can argue the merits of what is worse and what should be the punishment, but they are still under the venue of personal misconduct. It was 4. I'm positive on that one, as the buzz was how the back up was able to get them to come out 3-1. I think it now was actually 6, but they challenged, and it was reduced to 4.
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 First Take getting blasted for their show today on this: http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462 …
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 First Take getting blasted for their show today on this: http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462 … Michelle Beadle was attacking them on twitter.
RuntheDamnBall Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Roger Goodell To NFL Players: 'Murdering Your Wife Will Result In Automatic 4-Game Suspension'
Kelly the Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Roger Goodell To NFL Players: 'Murdering Your Wife Will Result In Automatic 4-Game Suspension' Later, when asked why three prominent NFL players received no suspensions for murdering their wife, Goodell stated, "We are a zero tolerance league when it comes to murdering your wife, unless, of course, she deserved it."
Bufcomments Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Hey... She still married him after that.... She must be bat sh?t crazy!!! Not surprising she stayed. Big Money = Big drama
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Michelle Beadle was attacking them on twitter. Stephen A. might be suspended for longer than Ray Rice. He's been feverishly apologizing on Twitter for the past few hours but keeps putting his foot back in his mouth.
Ramius Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 If Rice was on the rams and not the ravens the suspension would be longer.
NoSaint Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 If Rice was on the rams and not the ravens the suspension would be longer. He surely isn't the first to be charged with this - I'd imagine there's precedent here.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 He surely isn't the first to be charged with this - I'd imagine there's precedent here. The NFL is a perception business. The tapes of Rice were just brutal. People saw it. This is just a flat bad PR move because of the video. It doesn't really matter what the precedent is.
Section242 Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Stephen A. might be suspended for longer than Ray Rice. He's been feverishly apologizing on Twitter for the past few hours but keeps putting his foot back in his mouth. They once did a whole show on Skip Bayless being called out for averaging like .6 points per game on a high school basketball team after saying he was like Pete Maravich. Short of saying a racist comment or sexually harassment ESPN wouldn't do anything to hurt ratings.
NoSaint Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) The NFL is a perception business. The tapes of Rice were just brutal. People saw it. This is just a flat bad PR move because of the video. It doesn't really matter what the precedent is. Oh, I get it. I was just making a bit of a point in reply to the fact that the logo on his helmet is the deciding factor. I'd imagine to the nflpa the precedent still matters a lot even if fans are outraged. I'm not sure what the last few guys that beat a wife got but I'm guessing that the fact that it's not in the headlines as "rice gets 2 games while joe wifebeater got 6" means that the 2 is probably standard, if not a little stronger due to the video Edited July 25, 2014 by NoSaint
nucci Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Later, when asked why three prominent NFL players received no suspensions for murdering their wife, Goodell stated, "We are a zero tolerance league when it comes to murdering your wife, unless, of course, she deserved it." Probably provoked him....
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