Tiberius Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Still don't understand why it's different now if he admitted to it before. But, whatever. Surprised the video came out. I would think Rice and/or the Ravens would have paid more for that video than TMZ would. Because a picture is worth a thousand words.
GA BILLS FAN Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Bottom line, Rice deserved a much longer suspension than 2 games for his actions, which, unfortunately for him were caught on tape. The video, in my opinion, shows there was little if any physical threat by his fiance and there was certainly a more peaceful, non-physical solution for him to take. Based on the video, he should get a one year suspension and have to apply for reinstatement based on seeking counseling etc. The second issue, is probably the one that warrants more discussion, what did the NFL (and Ravens and police) know about what happened in the elevator. I hope for all of their sakes, that the video was not available and they based their earlier rulings on the testimony of Rice and his fiance, if not, they are completely in the wrong. Lastly, the Suggs issues (that was raised) as well as several others, point out that the NFL has an inconsistent moral compass and is hypocritical (to say the least) when it comes to punishment for transgressions of it's players and employees. It doesn't, however, change what Rice deserves for his actions
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 OK, so he is cut. There should really only be a period of a suspension, in reality. He was not arrested. This is his livelihood. It is bad PR for him to be hired by someone, but seriously, it bothers me that some people think he should be cut off from working. Most people who do this and get caught with this kind of evidence go to jail, and have a felony on their record that will DEFINITELY hurt their prospects for employment. I don't feel bad for the dude at all. He made his decisions.
Tiberius Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Your kidding right? There is no defending a man hitting a woman. i watched the video, and yes she slapped him, and then came at him a second time. You don't clock her. You grab and restrain her, and walk away. Period. No excuse. My daughter is an angel, and sure she would never attack a man over any argument, but even if she made a stupid decision, there is no justifying a man clocking a woman. None. You are emphatically wrong. WALK AWAY. I can walk away from a man challenging me because I'm an adult, and I was an elite wrestler, powerlifter, bouncer, and so on in my younger days. I'm an adult. i can walk away from any conflict unless my family was in danger. That is the only reason to use violence against someone. Absolutely! No question
Dirtbag Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Perfect illustration of why Olbermann is widely considered a joke of a man. I'm not crazy about Goodell, but calling for his resignation for not acting as a strict enough moral authoritarian is the epitome of self-righteous retardation. We have court systems for that. * Assuming this is his rationale. olbermann: http://deadspin.com/keith-olbermann-on-roger-goodell-an-enabler-of-men-wh-1632150757 i completely agree with him.
Tiberius Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Most people who do this and get caught with this kind of evidence go to jail, and have a felony on their record that will DEFINITELY hurt their prospects for employment. I don't feel bad for the dude at all. He made his decisions. Great point
Fadingpain Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 I will go on record right now as saying that this is going to get a whole lot bigger than it is now, and it's already pretty big. Goodell should and perhaps will lose his job over this. GREAT! I love Keith Olbermann by the way. I would wager quite a bit that the NFL saw the in-elevator footage when they issued the original 2 game suspension. And oh, for the record, let's call Rice what he is: a subhuman. I see this man being dead within a few years. I suspect he will end up banned for life and out of money. Maybe in jail. And then it's a matter of time before he's dead. Maybe suicide; in-prison violence. Who knows. The world will be a slightly better place. Also: shocking to read some of the comments posted here over the span of 17 pages. Jesus Christ.
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) King is calling out the league as lying, in so many words. Exactly. King was in damage-control mode as an early guest on the Jim Rome show today... almost right off the bat & with a fill-in-host nonetheless. The clips of Schefter on deadspin really show how upset he is that, as one of the most plugged-in NFL reporters, his reputation is perhaps quite besmirched in some viewers eyes because he was led to believe that all factors were considered in the initial ruling and reported as such. You can almost see the smoke coming out of his ears as he is talking and realizing the size of the firestorm that is brewing with the release of this video on the heels of the McDonald situation & fresh in the wake of their newly "toughened" stance against domestic violence. They are basically forced to call the NFL out on their BS in the way it has all been handled. Edited September 8, 2014 by HankBulloughMellencamp
Doc Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Everybody's in spin mode right now. Some have to cover for their lies, others have to cover for their lack of due diligence in reporting the story initially.
Rob's House Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 olbermann: http://deadspin.com/keith-olbermann-on-roger-goodell-an-enabler-of-men-wh-1632150757 i completely agree with him. Big surprise.
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted September 8, 2014 Posted September 8, 2014 Everybody's in spin mode right now. Some have to cover for their lies, others have to cover for their lack of due diligence in reporting the story initially. Rice is now getting all that he deserves, except for probably jail time. Lots of people culpable in this mess, but none more than him. If King Roger can not withstand this firestorm, I will not be the least bit forlorn. The audacity of this commissionership has been appalling to say the least, with James Harrison as exhibit A. Roger's judge/jury fines and suspensions for subjective interpretations of the rule book on Monday mornings were only the beginning, we can now see. I wonder if they will announce who is going to pony up to entertain us at halftime of the Super Bowl anytime soon. You might see some of the 'finalists' say thanks but no thanks.
Fadingpain Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Rice is now getting all that he deserves, except for probably jail time. Lots of people culpable in this mess, but none more than him. If King Roger can not withstand this firestorm, I will not be the least bit forlorn. The audacity of this commissionership has been appalling to say the least, with James Harrison as exhibit A. Roger's judge/jury fines and suspensions for subjective interpretations of the rule book on Monday mornings were only the beginning, we can now see. I wonder if they will announce who is going to pony up to entertain us at halftime of the Super Bowl anytime soon. You might see some of the 'finalists' say thanks but no thanks. Well said. This puts a new spin on Monday Night Football tonight. I don't know how you can pretend it is business as usual with this firestorm underway! How can they avoid talking about it the entire time!?
26CornerBlitz Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 @EyeOnNFL John Harbaugh: Ray Rice video 'wasn't made available to us' http://cbsprt.co/1Bo7BKl via @cbssports pic.twitter.com/SQifurXQ2V
Pondslider Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 The CFL is honoring the suspension too. http://m.cfl.ca/article/mark-cohon-issues-a-statement-regarding-ray-rice There's always the arena league. Does that still exist?
3rdand12 Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 @EyeOnNFL John Harbaugh: Ray Rice video 'wasn't made available to us' http://cbsprt.co/1Bo7BKl via @cbssports pic.twitter.com/SQifurXQ2V okay. i trust him. They said they did their due diligence so thats good enough for me .
Mr. WEO Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 It really makes little sense that all parties (the NFL, Rice's lawyer, law inforcement, the Ravens) would have seen one tape but not both. The sad irony is that no one here, or anywhere, for that matter, would have thought twice if all we knew about Rice hitting his wife is that he knocked her out and hotel security responded and called the cops and charges were not pressed. No one would be calling for him to be cut/suspended indefinitely. His suspension was exactly what nearly every spousal/SO abuser before him got in the NFL--avg of 1.6 game suspension for 15 players. The video is the ONLY difference in Rice's case. We able to ignore the violence every other guy perpetrated (see Suggs) because we didn't SEE it-like it never happened. All of this outcry is chest beating and harrumphing. Everyone feels better about this now that Rice is history. The next guy won't be cuaght on camera delivering the beating and we will go back to saying "oh well, that's just what these guys are like...." Ridiculous.
Captain Caveman Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 To put this in context, here is Brandon Marshall's history. Not sure how up to date it is. Suspensions are underlined. http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4675509/a-timeline-of-marshall%E2%80%99s-off-field-problems Oct. 31 2004: Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a law enforcement officer from a Halloween night arrest his junior year at Central Florida. All charges were ultimately dismissed. April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after police in Orlando accused him of trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets at a Burlington Coat Factory. The charge was dropped. June 17, 2006: Marshall and his then-girlfriend Rasheedah Watley both filed police reports alleging physical abuse by the other in an hours-long fight at Marshall's Orlando apartment. No arrests were made. Jan 1, 2007: According to court testimony in the murder trial in which Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was the victim and Willie E. Clark was the defendant, Marshall and his cousin were involved in an altercation outside a downtown Denver nightclub with Willie E. Clark and Daniel "Ponytail" Harris. Prosecutors believe an enraged Clark followed a limousine that he thought Marshall and his cousin were in. Clark was found guilty of firing at least 15 shots into the crowded limousine that killed Williams. Marshall and his cousin were in another vehicle. Clark is serving a life sentence. Jan. 24, 2007: Police interview Marshall and his father after an argument in an Orlando parking lot. Marshall claimed his father tried to run him over with his car, while the father told police Marshall had shot a gun. Both declined to press charges. March 18, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police that Marshall had punched her and taken her purse while at a downtown hotel. Marshall left before police arrived and no charges were filed. March 21, 2007: Police in Palm Beach County, Fla., interviewed Marshall and Watley twice in one night after two loud arguments. Both said the incidents were not physical, and no arrests were made. March 26, 2007: Marshall was arrested in Highlands Ranch, Colo., on charges of domestic violence and false imprisonment after another argument with Watley. Marshall hired attorney Harvey Steinberg to defend him and charges were dropped in May 2007. June 8, 2007: Two incident reports were filed by Atlanta police. The first was to investigate damage to private property when Watley's friend alleged that Marshall hit her car, in which Watley was a passenger, then threw a rock at the passenger door. In the other, Watley told police Marshall had cut her in the thigh and punched her in the face. She was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. Marshall was not on the scene and no charges were filed. June 30, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police Marshall had punched and choked her at his downtown condo, leaving a bruise on her eye and scratches on her body. He was not on scene and no charges were filed. Oct. 22, 2007: Marshall was arrested and charged with DUI after he allegedly was driving the wrong way on a one-way street in downtown Denver hours after a Broncos game. March 4-6, 2008: Three incident reports (filed on consecutive days) and one criminal warrant were filed after Watley and Marshall got into a fight at his Atlanta condo. Watley told police Marshall had punched her in the mouth and eye. Marshall told police his hand was also cut on glass during the incident, which included Watley's two younger sisters. Marshall was arrested on March 6 on a misdemeanor battery charge. May 21, 2008: An Atlanta police officer was dispatched to Marshall's condo to enforce Watley's temporary restraining order while Watley was there removing her belongings. The officer described Marshall as being cooperative and Watley as being argumentative, though Watley told the officer she felt threatened by Marshall and his relatives who were also there. Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL announced that Marshall was suspended for first three games (it was later reduced to one) of the season for violating NFL personal conduct policy. March 1, 2009: Marshall took part in a fierce argument with Watley (his fiancée at the time) that leads to their arrest on disorderly conduct charges. The charges are dismissed the next day. Aug. 14, 2009: A six-person Atlanta jury acquits Marshall on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from the March 6, 2008 incident. Aug. 28, 2009: Coach Josh McDaniels suspends Marshall for the remainder of the preseason for conduct detrimental to the team the day after he lost his cool at practice, punting away a football and batting down balls in frustration. He was reinstated on Sept. 6. Feb. 26, 2010: Marshall testifies for the prosecution in the murder trial of Willie Clark, the man accused of killing former Bronco Darrent Williams on Jan. 1, 2007. Marshall was out with Williams the night of the murder. April 22, 2011: Michi Nogami-Marshall, the women whom Marshall married three weeks prior, is arrested and jailed after she admits to police she stabbed her husband with a kitchen knife in self-defense. Marshall is hospitalized following emergency surgery to repair a non-life threatening stab wound to his stomach. June 10, 2011: Nogami-Marshall is arrested after violating restraining order to stay away from Brandon Marshall and the couple’s home. July 14, 2011: Marshall reportedly tells Florida state attorney’s office that his wife did not stab him. July 29, 2011: Aggravated battery charges against Nogami-Marshall are dropped. March 11, 2012: Marshall allegedly punches a woman at a Manhattan nightclub. No one would be calling for him to be cut/suspended indefinitely. His suspension was exactly what nearly every spousal/SO abuser before him got in the NFL--avg of 1.6 game suspension for 15 players. Probably - the Marshall example is a pretty good case study. Marshall seems to have turned it around, staying out of trouble for a few years. Hopefully he can continue to do the same.
Deranged Rhino Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 It really makes little sense that all parties (the NFL, Rice's lawyer, law inforcement, the Ravens) would have seen one tape but not both. The sad irony is that no one here, or anywhere, for that matter, would have thought twice if all we knew about Rice hitting his wife is that he knocked her out and hotel security responded and called the cops and charges were not pressed. No one would be calling for him to be cut/suspended indefinitely. His suspension was exactly what nearly every spousal/SO abuser before him got in the NFL--avg of 1.6 game suspension for 15 players. The video is the ONLY difference in Rice's case. We able to ignore the violence every other guy perpetrated (see Suggs) because we didn't SEE it-like it never happened. All of this outcry is chest beating and harrumphing. Everyone feels better about this now that Rice is history. The next guy won't be cuaght on camera delivering the beating and we will go back to saying "oh well, that's just what these guys are like...." Ridiculous. This post needs a de-coder ring to be able to understand its point.
Mr. WEO Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 This post needs a de-coder ring to be able to understand its point. Wow, let me slow it down for you. This is a social media frenzy only. People feel they have to act only after being shown what they already knew to have happened. No one called for the cutting or banishment of Suggs after he terrorized his family. Without TMZ, this story is buried in the NFL police blotter weeks ago.
DC Tom Posted September 9, 2014 Posted September 9, 2014 Keith Oberman who is not liked on this board just called for Goodell's resignation. But yea, the league has some morality issues Right in their own backyard. The league doesn't have any morality issues. The one thing abundantly clear by their actions today is that they couldn't care less about domestic violence by the players. They only care about how the league's perceived. That's why they're reacting to a salacious video of an event that differs in no marked way from the already-known description of that event. Rice hasn't been cut because he committed aggravated assault. He's been cut because a video of him committing aggravated assault embarrassed the league. So the league doesn't have any morality issues. It has no moral stance, period. It's only concerned with image. It would have to have morals to have issues.
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