DC Tom Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 people have been jailed for a little as a half an ounce. Man Gets Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For A Half Ounce No, man gets sentenced to 20 years in prison for being a multiple offender, two of which offenses (of four) were felony cocaine possession (at least one of which was with intent to distribute). Yes, it's rather a bull **** law, raising what should be at worst a misdemeanor charge to a 20-year felony sentence. But that's no excuse for not keeping to the damn facts.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) No, man gets sentenced to 20 years in prison for being a multiple offender, two of which offenses (of four) were felony cocaine possession (at least one of which was with intent to distribute). Yes, it's rather a bull **** law, raising what should be at worst a misdemeanor charge to a 20-year felony sentence. But that's no excuse for not keeping to the damn facts. facts?where did it say coke possession in that article? Got link? Also 3 times busted for a joint can = 20 years LOCK UP ALL DUI / DWI drivers for the same period of time and then I'll let this topic go. Edited July 29, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 facts? where did it say coke possession in that article? Got link? It didn't in that article. I had to go look up the court documents. Because the article sucked. It took me five minutes. Do it yourself.
mrags Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 people have been jailed for a little as a half an ounce. Man Gets Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For A Half Ounce Connecticut First offense: up to 1-year prison term, up to a $1,000 fine, or both. i can't speak for other states and their ridiculous laws. But in NYS, being the pinnacle of corrections in this country, we don't lock people up for 20 years for an ounce of refer. As I said before, I worked in a drug treatment center for months. More people in the program for selling drugs , lots of drugs, than actual users. First, second, and third offenses get your bit thrown into a 97 day workout program that's basically arts and crafts time.
mrags Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Just thought I'd post this as I came across it on Facebook. It's a good read about what we deal with and shows that what I've been saying about the overcrowding, gangs, and drugs isn't BS. http://m.auburnpub.com/blogs/eye_on_ny/michael-powers-new-president-of-state-corrections-officers-union-aims/article_49bd6caf-f573-5cd4-aaf9-a0fb7ce36c1f.html?mobile_touch=true And here's the "forgotten officer" poem he referred to: We are Correctional Officers, not Guards (who are people that watch school crossings). We work at minimum, medium, and maximum security Correctional Facilities. We are empowered by the State to enforce its Penal Laws, Rules, and Regulations of the Department of Correctional Services. In short we are Policemen. Our beat is totally inhabited by convicted felons who, by definition, are people who tend to break laws, rules, and regulations. We are out numbered by as many as 50 to 1 at various times of our workday and contrary to popular belief, we work without a side arm. In short, our necks are on the line every minute of every day. A Correctional Facility is a very misunderstood environment. The average person has very little knowledge of its workings. Society sends it's criminals to Correctional Facilities and as time passes, each criminal's crime fades from our memory until the collective prison population becomes hordes of bad people being warehoused away from decent society in a place where they can cause no further harm. There is also the notion that prison inmates cease to be a problem when the are incarcerated. Correctional Facilities are full of violence perpetrated by the prison population against the prison population and facility staff. Felonies are committed daily but are rarely reported. They are called "unusual incidents" and rarely result in criminal prosecution. Discipline is handled internally and, as a rule, the public is rarely informed of these crimes. In the course of maintaining order in these facilities, many Officers have endured the humiliation of having urine and feces thrown at them. Uncounted Correctional Officers have been kicked, bitten, stabbed and slashed with home made weapons, taken hostage, murdered and even raped in the line of duty, all while being legally mandated to maintain their Professional Composure and refraining from any retaliation which could be the basis for dismissal from service. In addition to these obvious dangers, Correctional Officers face hidden dangers in the form of AIDS, Tuberculosis, Hepatitis B and C. Courts are now imposing longer sentences and the prison population is increasing far beyond the systems designated capacity. As the public demands more police on the street, governments everywhere are cutting police in prison where violence reins supreme, jeopardizing all those working behind prison walls. Although you will never see us on "911" or "Top Cops" we are Law Enforcement Professionals. We are the "FORGOTTEN COP," hidden from public view, doing a dangerous beat, hoping someday to receive the respect and approval from the public who "WE SILENTLY SERVE."
CountryCletus Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 I always hate it when an inmate refers to me as a cop....
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Correctional Officers face hidden dangers in the form of AIDS, Tuberculosis, Hepatitis B and C. And not just any TB, but MDR TB. Not that any of your job is easy, but that's the part that always truly scared me. Prisons are public health nightmares. I'm always surprised at how few people understand that part of your job.
mrags Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 And not just any TB, but MDR TB. Not that any of your job is easy, but that's the part that always truly scared me. Prisons are public health nightmares. I'm always surprised at how few people understand that part of your job. yeah. Not many people do get that. And I've stated before, but were not allowed to know if an inmate is positive of something or anything. It's happened before where an officer is bitten, or gets blood on them from an inmate and you have no idea if you are safe or not. It's happened to me. Still waiting for Diffinitive results and it's been almost a year.
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 yeah. Not many people do get that. And I've stated before, but were not allowed to know if an inmate is positive of something or anything. It's happened before where an officer is bitten, or gets blood on them from an inmate and you have no idea if you are safe or not. It's happened to me. Still waiting for Diffinitive results and it's been almost a year. A year? I would be entirely unsurprised if prisoners got their test results quicker.
mrags Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Well. The thing with Aids is... It could take anywhere from 9 months to 1 year to show up on test results.
CountryCletus Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 A year? I would be entirely unsurprised if prisoners got their test results quicker. Inmates can get answers quickly.... The medical department can have the answer, but cannot give it to you... Just the legal side alone can take forever... In PA- inmates seriously have more rights than employees... They are held accountable for very little, bc the answer is always "Ahhhh, c'mon... Their inmates". It totally blows my mind!
mrags Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Inmates can get answers quickly.... The medical department can have the answer, but cannot give it to you... Just the legal side alone can take forever... In PA- inmates seriously have more rights than employees... They are held accountable for very little, bc the answer is always "Ahhhh, c'mon... Their inmates". It totally blows my mind! same in Ny pretty much. The state feels that it's easier to just tell criminals yes instead of fighting the issue. Not matter what it is really.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 I'm not defending the dealers, just the joeblow who gets the unlucky dickofajudge And I am well aware of the decriminalization of pot in NYS many years ago. my point is let the users out of jail and I'd love to see them put more drunk drivers in .
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Well. The thing with Aids is... It could take anywhere from 9 months to 1 year to show up on test results. I though the standard was 6 months for an HIV infection to show on an antibody test. (Turns out it's now 3, as I dig in to it.)
CountryCletus Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 I though the standard was 6 months for an HIV infection to show on an antibody test. (Turns out it's now 3, as I dig in to it.) Has it been mentioned that the DOC isn't efficient??? Not is there any sense of urgency... Unless it's to benefit and inmate.... Lol- oh, did I also mention how much I hate it there???
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Inmates can get answers quickly.... The medical department can have the answer, but cannot give it to you... Just the legal side alone can take forever... In PA- inmates seriously have more rights than employees... They are held accountable for very little, bc the answer is always "Ahhhh, c'mon... Their inmates". It totally blows my mind! Its like most jobs. The higher ups are not in the trenches. Of course CO's have it worse than almost all jobs on the planet, I do have empathy for the job you guys do. It will be a glorious day when we actually need less cops/guards/CO's whatever. I have never advocated for more... All a necessary evil. I say evil not to be disrepectful, but evil because human nature and the criminal needs to be kept in check Edited July 29, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois
CountryCletus Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 Its like most jobs. The higher ups are not in the trenches. Of course CO's have it worse than almost all jobs on the planet, I do have empathy for the job you guys do. It will be a glorious day when we actually need less cops/guards/CO's whatever. I have never advocated for more... All a necessary evil. I say evil not to be disrepectful, but evil because human nature and the criminal needs to be kept in check I can dig it!! Lol... Honestly, I wish there were more employment opportunities in my area... But working in the DOC for 9 years has really opened my eyes to things.... Don't do drugs, lol
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 29, 2014 Posted July 29, 2014 I'm not defending the dealers, just the joeblow who gets the unlucky dickofajudge And I am well aware of the decriminalization of pot in NYS many years ago. my point is let the users out of jail and I'd love to see them put more drunk drivers in . I am sorta with. The problem feeds it self. How safe can it really be made. We do need to take a leap of faith and reverse the current trend. I can dig it!! Lol... Honestly, I wish there were more employment opportunities in my area... But working in the DOC for 9 years has really opened my eyes to things.... Don't do drugs, lol Yeah... I moved 500 miles away to be a lock and dam operator... I truly feel blessed having not to deal with the horrors you guys are laying down. We do have to get Hep shots, take first aid/CPR. Dealing with a 100 drunken boaters sure beats a lot of things... I gotta "water barrier" between them. ;-) Just speaking to my wife after she got back home from work this evening. Story about a 14 year boy that is "banned" from the public library she manages. He gets all abusive, etc... So they have kicked him out... I guess the story goes that both his parents are incarcerated and his grandparents "adopted" him @ 1. Doesn't help that he has a male sibling 4 years his senior He denies any problem of causing a ruckus, cussing, etc... in public... So his grandparents (again, now his parents) came in and watched the video of him getting all crazy in public. I guess that way, he can't wiggle out of the situation and blame others for his problems. I guess they are really trying. He is due in court for other issues. Now in the legal system, he is due for the vicious circle and beatdown... Drugs will seal the deal.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 30, 2014 Posted July 30, 2014 I can dig it!! Lol... Honestly, I wish there were more employment opportunities in my area... But working in the DOC for 9 years has really opened my eyes to things.... Don't do drugs, lol Don't do drugs AND act like an idiot. It all comes down to responsibility. Some people can handle it others can not. Please don't ruin it for those who can. Since 1972 and on I've smoked dope and indulged in a few other drugs. Never ever was I involved in a car accident nor been in any public incidents where the cops were involved. well OK once I did something stupid but hey ship happens.
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