Just Jack Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 making prisoners wear uniforms they don't like.... http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2014/07/black_and_white_is_the_new_ora.html
mrags Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 Not as bad as this: http://www.cellutiongroup.com/archives/234
Fingon Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 Not as bad as this: http://www.cellution...om/archives/234 Agreed, that may be the worst blog ever.
mrags Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 I didn't read it. I just know of the jail out west that makes the inmates wear pink.
CountryCletus Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 What about the CO's... Lol In PA, the uniforms are made for the co's by the inmates... As you can imagine, they don't fit well...
mrags Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 What about the CO's... Lol In PA, the uniforms are made for the co's by the inmates... As you can imagine, they don't fit well... same in NY brother. The only ones that aren't are the SGT and LT shirts and the Drill Instructor grays.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) It's the retro look I didn't read it. I just know of the jail out west that makes the inmates wear pink. Edited July 22, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
The Big Cat Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 We should definitely do our best to piss off convicted felons. Once their sentence is up, we want them enveloped back into society with the highest level of resentment imaginable.
mrags Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Oh ... I'm gettin' my popcorn ready now. lol We should definitely do our best to piss off convicted felons. Once their sentence is up, we want them enveloped back into society with the highest level of resentment imaginable. ive got news for ya. About 99% of them go right back to the same life they had before. There's about a 70% rate of them coming back into the system. And that's only the ones that are getting caught.
Gugny Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 lol ive got news for ya. About 99% of them go right back to the same life they had before. There's about a 70% rate of them coming back into the system. And that's only the ones that are getting caught. On a serious note ... do you feel that - if prisoners were treated with dignity and respect, with the possibility of them learning to respect themselves and others ... they would have a better chance at NOT returning to the same lifestyle?
The Big Cat Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Oh ... I'm gettin' my popcorn ready now. Get plenty of salt and butter, mah man. lol ive got news for ya. About 99% of them go right back to the same life they had before. There's about a 70% rate of them coming back into the system. And that's only the ones that are getting caught. Then may be we should reexamine whether we're caging criminals or rehabilitating citizens. Seems you've indicated a severe failure of the latter. On a serious note ... do you feel that - if prisoners were treated with dignity and respect, with the possibility of them learning to respect themselves and others ... they would have a better chance at NOT returning to the same lifestyle? This guy gets it.
CountryCletus Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 On a serious note ... do you feel that - if prisoners were treated with dignity and respect, with the possibility of them learning to respect themselves and others ... they would have a better chance at NOT returning to the same lifestyle? We are trained to provide "Care, Custody, and Control" While I attempt to treat all committed to my care fairly and with respect- that treatment is one I feel should be earned in that setting. I don't treat inmates ignorantly, but I have no problem reciprocating the ignorance I am shown.... There is a fair percentage of inmates that are convicted and wish to do their time and I home.... There is also a shockingly large contingent that have nothing and want nothing more to either harm you or make your life hell I think that it's unfair for anyone who has never worked in that capacity and in that specific environment to judge how those that do, perform their duties...
Gugny Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 We are trained to provide "Care, Custody, and Control" While I attempt to treat all committed to my care fairly and with respect- that treatment is one I feel should be earned in that setting. I don't treat inmates ignorantly, but I have no problem reciprocating the ignorance I am shown.... There is a fair percentage of inmates that are convicted and wish to do their time and I home.... There is also a shockingly large contingent that have nothing and want nothing more to either harm you or make your life hell I think that it's unfair for anyone who has never worked in that capacity and in that specific environment to judge how those that do, perform their duties... Let's just be crystal clear, here (I think we are, but I want to make sure) ... I passed no judgment; I asked a question. I'm on record for saying COs are grossly underpaid. If someone questions the system, please don't confuse that with a criticism of the COs who are there to adhere to the policies of the system. I have zero experience in working with inmates of any level. I have no doubt there are people in there who wish to hurt, kill or - as you said - make COs' lives hell. I just can't help but wonder how many people end up in there who had a chance at paying for their mistakes and getting out for good ... only to piss that chance away because the system gave them little choice. Again ... it's a question ... as I don't have the experience or knowledge to say that's the case. But I think it's a fair question. From the outside, looking in, I can say I wish there was an efficient means of identifying those who are less-likely to make a return trip; then help them get through their time safely and give them a chance to be a productive member of society.
mrags Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 On a serious note ... do you feel that - if prisoners were treated with dignity and respect, with the possibility of them learning to respect themselves and others ... they would have a better chance at NOT returning to the same lifestyle? as long as prisoners are respectful, to themselves and others and don't cause problems, they are treated with respect. I wont say that all of them fail to return to society. It happens. Very rare but it happens. But most of them don't. When I was at the drug treatment center/shock camp a a Drill Instructor, I can tell you that the return rate was in the 70% range. There were times in the 6 months that I worked there I saw parolees 2 times and it's a 97 day program. Yiu can take that however you want. I'm some cases, my best parolee of the 70 person group, my platoon leader, would come back. In other cases, my platoon leader would drop out of the program. When I showed up at Attica I saw him in the special housing unit. He was restricted do to him throwing his own feces on officers. He was my best one at shock camp. My best one. And people want to ask why we have trust issues towards inmates. Because one minute, yiur most trusted inmate on the block, can be your best one there, the next minute he could take a broom handle to your face. Cletus has it right on. No one can really say until they have experienced it.
BuffaloBill Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Not as bad as this: http://www.cellutiongroup.com/archives/234 Yikes...
mrags Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Get plenty of salt and butter, mah man. Then may be we should reexamine whether we're caging criminals or rehabilitating citizens. Seems you've indicated a severe failure of the latter. This guy gets it. i feel that inmates that change for the better are ones that want to change. There aren't many of them. Most of them are just angry they are confined. Most of them just want to get out so they can do what they were doing before. Most of them don't have feelings or care who they hurt. Most of them, regardless what the public thinks or knows, have many more privelesges than they assume.
CountryCletus Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Let's just be crystal clear, here (I think we are, but I want to make sure) ... I passed no judgment; I asked a question. I'm on record for saying COs are grossly underpaid. If someone questions the system, please don't confuse that with a criticism of the COs who are there to adhere to the policies of the system. I have zero experience in working with inmates of any level. I have no doubt there are people in there who wish to hurt, kill or - as you said - make COs' lives hell. I just can't help but wonder how many people end up in there who had a chance at paying for their mistakes and getting out for good ... only to piss that chance away because the system gave them little choice. Again ... it's a question ... as I don't have the experience or knowledge to say that's the case. But I think it's a fair question. From the outside, looking in, I can say I wish there was an efficient means of identifying those who are less-likely to make a return trip; then help them get through their time safely and give them a chance to be a productive member of society. I wasn't ranting, and I certainly didn't think you were judging COs... I am afraid I don't understand your question regarding the system...
The Big Cat Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 i feel that inmates that change for the better are ones that want to change. There aren't many of them. Most of them are just angry they are confined. Most of them just want to get out so they can do what they were doing before. Most of them don't have feelings or care who they hurt. Most of them, regardless what the public thinks or knows, have many more privelesges than they assume. Honestly, I know you have more experience dealing with these things, but from 30,000 feet, I don't really care about a prisoner's willingness to reform, if it's an opt-in program, it's destined to fail.
mrags Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Honestly, I know you have more experience dealing with these things, but from 30,000 feet, I don't really care about a prisoner's willingness to reform, if it's an opt-in program, it's destined to fail. forcing them to do the program doesn't work either. There's not a problem with the program. The ones that want to succeed at it, succeed. The problem is with the inmates. Most of them don't want it. Most of them want to be back on the street with their boys. Selling drugs. Shooting people.
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