CountryCletus Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I think Twitter has very much blurred this distinction for reporters. In fact, unless I see a link to an article (AP for jw, BN for Gaughan, etc.) I assume it to be their personal opinion. Which is fine with me. Some "reporters" write opinion pieces for their employers anyway, and are paid for these opinions and "clicks" they receive in social media. But for those who are expected to be objective for their employers I believe their tweets are their own viewpoints. If you look at the twitter profiles of most media, it says something to the effect of "The opinions expressed in this account are my own and not those of WGR/ESPN/etc." This is also to protect the employer. Ah... that was an epic thread. John Wawrow @john_wawrow 1m It would be one thing if I was the only one suggesting EJ struggled. Turns out only one saying EJ didn't struggle is, well, EJ. #BillsCamp Good thoughts!!! Thank yo
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 ay Skurski @JaySkurski 19s BN Blitz: Day Three -- Doug Marrone, EJ Manuel on different page after first padded practice http://bills.buffalo...ctice/ … via @TheBuffaloNews BTW, after reading the full quotes, EJ didn't say he did great. He said "WE had a good day." He was probably thinking about how Hughes was sitting on top of him all day and didn't want to throw anyone under the bus. He just sounded like he was staying positive as it was just the 1st practice in pads.
mrags Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 BTW, after reading the full quotes, EJ didn't say he did great. He said "WE had a good day." He was probably thinking about how Hughes was sitting on top of him all day and didn't want to throw anyone under the bus. He just sounded like he was staying positive as it was just the 1st practice in pads. im with this. EJ is not stupid and knows his limitations. He knows which days he does well and which ones he needs more work. Chances are he's playing nice for the camera. I'm going to bet as soon as he left the interview he went right back to work in the tape portion to see what he didn't wrong and how to fix it. No different than probably 90% of QBs in this league. And if he is clueless, Marrone will make sure he knows what he's got to fix.
Dorkington Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 BTW, after reading the full quotes, EJ didn't say he did great. He said "WE had a good day." He was probably thinking about how Hughes was sitting on top of him all day and didn't want to throw anyone under the bus. He just sounded like he was staying positive as it was just the 1st practice in pads. That's the way I read it. But, I'm not paid to have opinions and report the news, so I'll just assume I'm wrong.
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) From now on I am sure he and Marrone will be sure to coordinate their answers ahead of time. Edited July 22, 2014 by YoloinOhio
Dorkington Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I can just imagine the drama fest if EJ was honest (or any player, for that matter). "I have 1.2 seconds to throw, this OL stinks. My WRs can't catch, other than the rookie. I'm not very confident in my WRs, which doesn't help when added to my mediocre deep field accuracy"
K-9 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Is the media trying to create the impression of a rift between Marrone and Manuel because they disagree on how the practice went? Is the media trying to create the story that EJ is either clueless or not being honest? Seems like there's an angle being played here. GO BILLS!!!
Wayne Cubed Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 BTW, after reading the full quotes, EJ didn't say he did great. He said "WE had a good day." He was probably thinking about how Hughes was sitting on top of him all day and didn't want to throw anyone under the bus. He just sounded like he was staying positive as it was just the 1st practice in pads. I read it that way as well. Of course I don't see the full transcript of the question asked, is it possible the question was "You guys looked pretty bad out there, how do you think the offense preformed today?" It seems the way he answered that it was a general question, like the person asking didn't ask specifically about EJ's own performance. But anything to create drama...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 I read it that way as well. Of course I don't see the full transcript of the question asked, is it possible the question was "You guys looked pretty bad out there, how do you think the offense preformed today?" It seems the way he answered that it was a general question, like the person asking didn't ask specifically about EJ's own performance. But anything to create drama... It did sound like he was referring to the offense as a whole. He could have just meant that considering it was the 1st day in pads, and he is missing his LT, it went well toward building toward the next practice.
Kelly the Dog Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I think Twitter has very much blurred this distinction for reporters. In fact, unless I see a link to an article (AP for jw, BN for Gaughan, etc.) I assume it to be their personal opinion. Which is fine with me. Some "reporters" write opinion pieces for their employers anyway, and are paid for these opinions and "clicks" they receive in social media. But for those who are expected to be objective for their employers I believe their tweets are their own viewpoints. If you look at the twitter profiles of most media, it says something to the effect of "The opinions expressed in this account are my own and not those of WGR/ESPN/etc." This is also to protect the employer. Ah... that was an epic thread. John Wawrow @john_wawrow 1m It would be one thing if I was the only one suggesting EJ struggled. Turns out only one saying EJ didn't struggle is, well, EJ. #BillsCamp JW writes for the AP. He is strictly, and literally a reporter. His job is to do straight observation and reporting, with no opinions (although it's inevitable that some will creep in). He's very good at it. He also tweets, and that could be considered his opinion, but he's still pretty observational. Because it's the AP, it's is a little different job than a Buffalo News reporter like Mark Gaughn who is not supposed to provide much of an opinion, and a VERY different job from what Tim Graham and especially Jerry Sullivan are supposed to do for the News, who are specifically paid to provide their opinion.
GG Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Or his answer could have been along the lines of what the coach said, "Yes it was the first day in pads and everyone was a bit rusty. There's still plenty of time to work out the kinks and we use every day as the learning experience. We should look better as the summer wears on." But when he already has a testy relationship with the local press, coming out and saying that the offense looked fine, when from all other accounts, it did not - was not the right thing to say.
Wayne Cubed Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 It did sound like he was referring to the offense as a whole. He could have just meant that considering it was the 1st day in pads, and he is missing his LT, it went well toward building toward the next practice. He did go onto say that there was some miscommunications, etc... so he admitted it needs to get better, and the younger players are just learning. I just don't see the need to jump on Manual about his perception of reality. Also, I don't get jumping on him for him not admitting his day wasn't his best, when it seems like the question wasn't directed at his specific performance. But what do I know, apparently I thought JP was good, if you believe some people. Or his answer could have been along the lines of what the coach said, "Yes it was the first day in pads and everyone was a bit rusty. There's still plenty of time to work out the kinks and we use every day as the learning experience. We should look better as the summer wears on." But when he already has a testy relationship with the local press, coming out and saying that the offense looked fine, when from all other accounts, it did not - was not the right thing to say. Or his answer could have been along the lines of what the coach said, "Yes it was the first day in pads and everyone was a bit rusty. There's still plenty of time to work out the kinks and we use every day as the learning experience. We should look better as the summer wears on." But when he already has a testy relationship with the local press, coming out and saying that the offense looked fine, when from all other accounts, it did not - was not the right thing to say. He did. "I try to treat practice like a game and I think the rest of the team does. So if you have a miscommunication, like I said, we’re still putting new players in the thing, so if a guy didn’t get a signal or if he forgets what he has on a certain route, just move on to the next one. Try not to let one mistake become two."
Kelly the Dog Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Or his answer could have been along the lines of what the coach said, "Yes it was the first day in pads and everyone was a bit rusty. There's still plenty of time to work out the kinks and we use every day as the learning experience. We should look better as the summer wears on." But when he already has a testy relationship with the local press, coming out and saying that the offense looked fine, when from all other accounts, it did not - was not the right thing to say. Yeah, EJ is seemingly a very good guy, and leader, and face of the franchise. I have been very happy with him in those respects so far in his career, which has zero to do with what happens on the field. The one thing he does NOT do well, and it's both glaring and a potentially serious issue, is take responsibility for poor play or a poor practice. Which is why he has a somewhat testy relationship with some of the press. Partly, I am sure, it is part of his coaching and his personality, to not dwell on mistakes and always have a positive attitude, as well as not publicly throw teammates (or yourself) under the bus. But surely, that does not mean you take no responsibility, and that you cannot admit when a practice is bad. Most all witnesses seem to think he had a poor day relatively. He needs to admit that to some degree. To me, there was a serious worry when I read a quote EJ said recently about Dowling the new QB coach. He specially said he loves the fact his coach doesn't dwell on bad plays and is always positive. Well you need to dwell a little on bad plays and learn from them, not just immediately ignore them. It's a delicate balance, and surely confidence is a quintessential attribute you need in your starting QB. But that doesn't mean you just ignore or deny poor play when it happens. EJ has a little growing up to do in that department, IMO.
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 Or his answer could have been along the lines of what the coach said, "Yes it was the first day in pads and everyone was a bit rusty. There's still plenty of time to work out the kinks and we use every day as the learning experience. We should look better as the summer wears on." But when he already has a testy relationship with the local press, coming out and saying that the offense looked fine, when from all other accounts, it did not - was not the right thing to say. I thought that was just Graham. I don't follow him on Twitter, so don't know if he was there. Someone tell EJ to get out of the film room and go roll up a 20 in da club and pound some Ace of Spades. That will make everyone love you and buy your jersey and want you to start.
You herd it hear last Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Yeah, EJ is seemingly a very good guy, and leader, and face of the franchise. I have been very happy with him in those respects so far in his career, which has zero to do with what happens on the field. The one thing he does NOT do well, and it's both glaring and a potentially serious issue, is take responsibility for poor play or a poor practice. Which is why he has a somewhat testy relationship with some of the press. Partly, I am sure, it is part of his coaching and his personality, to not dwell on mistakes and always have a positive attitude, as well as not publicly throw teammates (or yourself) under the bus. But surely, that does not mean you take no responsibility, and that you cannot admit when a practice is bad. Most all witnesses seem to think he had a poor day relatively. He needs to admit that to some degree. To me, there was a serious worry when I read a quote EJ said recently about Dowling the new QB coach. He specially said he loves the fact his coach doesn't dwell on bad plays and is always positive. Well you need to dwell a little on bad plays and learn from them, not just immediately ignore them. It's a delicate balance, and surely confidence is a quintessential attribute you need in your starting QB. But that doesn't mean you just ignore or deny poor play when it happens. EJ has a little growing up to do in that department, IMO. are we in deep doo doo if he actually believes he had a good practice and didn't?
Heitz Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 As someone observing from the outside, without hearing any of the real comments being made by players and coaches, literally with no real idea of what's happening behind the scenes, I say EJ has to grow up and do better! Or maybe I'll just wait a few days (maybe even weeks!?!) to make that call... Love the early season
yall Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I wish this thread was back to mostly tweets and not about one singular topic...
Mark Vader Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills 24s Marrone: Hopkins a kickoff specialist http://wp.me/plmrg-ahk Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills 49s Allow me to re-state. Hopkins is a kickoff specialist only. Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 34s At kicker, Marrone says Dustin Hopkins will have to play his way onto the roster as a kickoff specialist, so Dan Carpenter won't be pushed. Ok, but why? If Carpenter is the starter, fine. But why not let Hopkins at least try some FG kicks in training camp? What is the harm? I'm not understanding this move.
Kipers Hair Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Everybody has to chill out with the whole EJ thing. Right now, he is the NFL whipping boy for the woeful Bills...his fault the trade up in the draft was too much...his fault he checked down too much...his fault he got hurt too much..etc.. Maybe, the trade up in the draft will be one sided for the Bills...maybe, he has to check down because our WR's couldn't get open enough...maybe, he got hurt running because protection broke down and he had to run. Is he any worse than Sam Bradford? No, yet the Rams can have hope and the Bills should have drafted a QB. The Bills have hitched their wagon to EJ - lets see where it goes. Can't wait for him to prove everyone wrong...
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