Know anyone with a disease? Read this

[Benjamin Franklin]

 

So why are there record numbers of heroin overdoses in states that don't allow cannabis? The overdose epidemic exists nationwide. If you want to look for a connection to a gateway substance, look no further than the availability of opiate pain medicine.

 

 

 

We have a winner.

[Chef Jim]

 

We have a winner.

 

But you do agree that the Mexican cartels are seeing the loss of their marijuana gravy train and have stepped up pushing harder drugs? Again I laughed my ass off when people actually suggested that making marijuana legal was going to put the cartels out of business.

 

So why are there record numbers of heroin overdoses in states that don't allow cannabis?

 

 

 

There are record numbers of heroin overdoses in states that do allow marijuana too. Why is that?

[Benjamin Franklin]

 

But you do agree that the Mexican cartels are seeing the loss of their marijuana gravy train and have stepped up pushing harder drugs? Again I laughed my ass off when people actually suggested that making marijuana legal was going to put the cartels out of business.

 

 

No idea what the cartels are doing but yes, the cartels are not going out of business any time soon.

[Chef Jim]

 

No idea what the cartels are doing

 

Here let me help you.

 

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/19/drug-cartels-turning-meth-heroin-after-pot-legalization-us

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/losing-marijuana-business-mexican-cartels-push-heroin-and-meth/2015/01/11/91fe44ce-8532-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html

 

http://news3lv.com/news/local/monday-at-11-the-battle

[Benjamin Franklin]

 

Here let me help you.

 

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/19/drug-cartels-turning-meth-heroin-after-pot-legalization-us

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/losing-marijuana-business-mexican-cartels-push-heroin-and-meth/2015/01/11/91fe44ce-8532-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html

 

http://news3lv.com/news/local/monday-at-11-the-battle

 

Heroin's a bad one.

[Chef Jim]

 

Heroin's a bad one.

 

Yup. Lost my brother's long time girlfriend to it a month ago. He said she was on crack. Sorry you don't OD on crack. Crack is a slow death. He may be right but I doubt it.

 

I have a good friend who lives in Denver. He says there are 200 ODs a week. Not sure if that number is even close to being accurate but it's an epidemic and it's being swept under the rug. And to think that the legalization of pot has anything to do with it is wrong.

[Benjamin Franklin]

 

Yup. Lost my brother's long time girlfriend to it a month ago. He said she was on crack. Sorry you don't OD on crack. Crack is a slow death. He may be right but I doubt it.

 

I have a good friend who lives in Denver. He says there are 200 ODs a week. Not sure if that number is even close to being accurate but it's an epidemic and it's being swept under the rug. And to think that the legalization of pot has anything to do with it is wrong.

 

The heroin epidemic isn't being swept under the rug. I have a friend who is a surgeon in a rural area--he said their small town (30,000 people) is being overrun with addicts. But like the poster said before, nearly all of them get their opiods from Dr. Feelgood, not Medico Feliz.

[GG]

 

The heroin epidemic isn't being swept under the rug. I have a friend who is a surgeon in a rural area--he said their small town (30,000 people) is being overrun with addicts. But like the poster said before, nearly all of them get their opiods from Dr. Feelgood, not Medico Feliz.

Are you conflating the issues? The needs are coming from the docs, but where are they getting the heroin once they can't get the pills?

[Chef Jim]

 

The heroin epidemic isn't being swept under the rug. I have a friend who is a surgeon in a rural area--he said their small town (30,000 people) is being overrun with addicts. But like the poster said before, nearly all of them get their opiods from Dr. Feelgood, not Medico Feliz.

 

When was the last time you saw a headline talking about this epidemic? It should be front page. Sure the Hillary and Donald show is taking center stage but still. So when I say swept under the rug it's not being reported as it should be.

 

Oh and 30,000 is not a small town. Compared to where I grew up 30,000 is a megalopolis.

[IDBillzFan]

 

When was the last time you saw a headline talking about this epidemic? It should be front page. Sure the Hillary and Donald show is taking center stage but still. So when I say swept under the rug it's not being reported as it should be.

 

I see a lot of it on social media, which is this newfangled thing these bratty little kids use to get news updates and such. I've been particularly taken with the number of people who are just found in an overdosed state, lying on sidewalks or passed out in cars.

 

And Congress passed a bill recently to fund some treatment programs.

 

 

 

The legislation creates grants and other programs aimed at addressing drug abuse, especially heroin and opioids, a crippling problem that claims victims across racial, economic and geographic lines. There were more than 47,000 U.S. drug abuse fatalities in 2014 — double the death rate in 2000. Most of those deaths were from heroin or opioids, potentially addictive medications that are prescribed to kill pain.

 

This story was all over recently, when some people in Memphis found a couple lying on the sidewalk after overdosing on heroin, and instead of calling for help, they all stood around taking videos. One guy's video has 3M hits.

 

Word is out. You're just not seeing it in that thing that shows up on your porch every morning.

[Chef Jim]

 

I see a lot of it on social media, which is this newfangled thing these bratty little kids use to get news updates and such. I've been particularly taken with the number of people who are just found in an overdosed state, lying on sidewalks or passed out in cars.

 

And Congress passed a bill recently to fund some treatment programs.

 

 

This story was all over recently, when some people in Memphis found a couple lying on the sidewalk after overdosing on heroin, and instead of calling for help, they all stood around taking videos. One guy's video has 3M hits.

 

Word is out. You're just not seeing it in that thing that shows up on your porch every morning.

 

I'm not seeing it anywhere on a national level. For the level of OD's that are taking place across the country you'd expect it to be covered more than Facebook. We've had two Presidential debates. Did it come up in either? I don't know because I didn't watch them. If it's truly and epidemic (which I think it is) you'd think they'd bring it up in the debates.

[/dev/null]

 

I'm not seeing it anywhere on a national level. For the level of OD's that are taking place across the country you'd expect it to be covered more than Facebook. We've had two Presidential debates. Did it come up in either? I don't know because I didn't watch them. If it's truly and epidemic (which I think it is) you'd think they'd bring it up in the debates.

 

Why would they cover it when it's not a national epidemic like Zika or white cops shooting black people? Or the first major US hurricane in 10 years as proof of Global Warming Cooling Climate Change Chaos Disruption

 

Word is out. You're just not seeing it in that thing that shows up on your porch every morning.

What does the neighbors cat have to do with this?

[Chef Jim]

 

Why would they cover it when it's not a national epidemic like Zika or white cops shooting black people? Or the first major US hurricane in 10 years as proof of Global Warming Cooling Climate Change Chaos Disruption

 

 

Good point.

 

What does the neighbors cat have to do with this?

 

It's actually the neighbor's wife. Shhhhhhh............

[Benjamin Franklin]

 

I'm not seeing it anywhere on a national level. For the level of OD's that are taking place across the country you'd expect it to be covered more than Facebook. We've had two Presidential debates. Did it come up in either? I don't know because I didn't watch them. If it's truly and epidemic (which I think it is) you'd think they'd bring it up in the debates.

 

Time just did a story on it 3 weeks ago. NY Times is running a few stories a month. It's a pretty big issue. Not in the election cycle I grant you but it's hot.

Are you conflating the issues? The needs are coming from the docs, but where are they getting the heroin once they can't get the pills?

 

The docs. That's the issue in a lot of cases. Docs make a lot of money writing RXes. My friend the surgeon says everyone in his town knows who the docs are who write the easy prescriptions. But those docs walk the line just on one side of it and the patients know how to get them filled.

[Bob in Mich]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-marijuana-legalizationarizona/

 

This article talks about AZ cannabis legalization and the effects of that on the Mexican cartels.

[DC Tom]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-marijuana-legalizationarizona/

 

This article talks about AZ cannabis legalization and the effects of that on the Mexican cartels.

 

Does it talk about anyone with "a disease?"

[bbb]

 

Yup. Lost my brother's long time girlfriend to it a month ago. He said she was on crack. Sorry you don't OD on crack. Crack is a slow death. He may be right but I doubt it.

 

I have a good friend who lives in Denver. He says there are 200 ODs a week. Not sure if that number is even close to being accurate but it's an epidemic and it's being swept under the rug. And to think that the legalization of pot has anything to do with it is wrong.

 

Is it now more socially acceptable to die from crack than from heroin?

 

 

When was the last time you saw a headline talking about this epidemic? It should be front page. Sure the Hillary and Donald show is taking center stage but still. So when I say swept under the rug it's not being reported as it should be.

 

Oh and 30,000 is not a small town. Compared to where I grew up 30,000 is a megalopolis.

 

I was thinking the opposite. It's something that hits close to home for me, too. But even I'm sick of reading about it.................There is a huge article in the Buffalo News at least once a week. There is only so much that can be said about it.

 

[Chef Jim]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-marijuana-legalizationarizona/

 

This article talks about AZ cannabis legalization and the effects of that on the Mexican cartels.

And the effect it will have on the cartels will mean they will likely move on to pushing harder drugs like heroin and meth. Which is exactly what I said and pretty much what your article says.

 

Is it now more socially acceptable to die from crack than from heroin?

 

 

 

I was thinking the opposite. It's something that hits close to home for me, too. But even I'm sick of reading about it.................There is a huge article in the Buffalo News at least once a week. There is only so much that can be said about it.

 

I guess I'm just not looking in the right places.

[Bob in Mich]

And the effect it will have on the cartels will mean they will likely move on to pushing harder drugs like heroin and meth. Which is exactly what I said and pretty much what your article says.

 

Agreed. It put a dent in their operations but organized crime will always try to make money. Historically, they have existed largely due to various forms of prohibition - prostitution, gambling, alcohol, and drugs. To think they were going to fold up due to removing one prohibited substance was naive.

 

I would not assume though that this switch to supplying heroin by the cartels has caused the opiate epidemic in the US. They will supply what they can sell for significant profit. Since the demand is there due to addiction and the very high street prices for pharmaceutical opiates, they are supplying heroin.

 

If coffee were suddenly made illegal in the US, that would be what was smuggled. The demand would drive it.

[Chef Jim]

 

Agreed. It put a dent in their operations but organized crime will always try to make money. Historically, they have existed largely due to various forms of prohibition - prostitution, gambling, alcohol, and drugs. To think they were going to fold up due to removing one prohibited substance was naive.

 

I would not assume though that this switch to supplying heroin by the cartels has caused the opiate epidemic in the US. They will supply what they can sell for significant profit. Since the demand is there due to addiction and the very high street prices for pharmaceutical opiates, they are supplying heroin.

 

If coffee were suddenly made illegal in the US, that would be what was smuggled. The demand would drive it.

 

Which came first? The addiction or the cartels pushing the product.