Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 The whole medical marijuana thing is a joke. I've done a good job documenting the process I went through when I met the "nurse" and "doctor". It's just a huge money grab. Certain elements of it are a joke, without question. But there are also certainly people who have been able to use the process to get the pain relief they otherwise could not get legally. Really, it's not the process that's a joke, but the laws classifying marijuana as a class 1 drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Certain elements of it are a joke, without question. But there are also certainly people who have been able to use the process to get the pain relief they otherwise could not get legally. Really, it's not the process that's a joke, but the laws classifying marijuana as a class 1 drug. No the process is a joke. Have you gotten a medical marijuana card? It's mainly a legal way for stoners to get weed legally. Hey good for those able to find relief but don't kid yourself that they are anything other than a miniscule percentage of the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 No the process is a joke. Have you gotten a medical marijuana card? It's mainly a legal way for stoners to get weed legally. Hey good for those able to find relief but don't kid yourself that they are anything other than a miniscule percentage of the market. I think you're supporting Greggy's point that the process is screwed up, so you have to go through the Byzantine charade to get the drug for medical & recreational purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 No the process is a joke. Have you gotten a medical marijuana card? It's mainly a legal way for stoners to get weed legally. Hey good for those able to find relief but don't kid yourself that they are anything other than a miniscule percentage of the market. I'm not disagreeing that it's a small percentage of the market, but it's still a percentage of sick and ailing people who otherwise wouldn't be able to find the relief because the government has deemed marijuana the same class of drugs as heroin, cocaine and meth. That's the bigger joke, not the process which allows citizens to get around the ridiculous law that only serves to protect big pharma and its donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think you're supporting Greggy's point that the process is screwed up, so you have to go through the Byzantine charade to get the drug for medical & recreational purpose. No, see his response to my post. He's saying they are using it to get around the narcotic laws for medical usage only. And if you're going to allow it for medical usage at least require the doctor to review medical records for the issue and for God's sake have him in the same room as the "patient". I'm am finally running out of what I got (an 1/8th plus a gram) over a year and a half ago. In that time my medical card expired. I'll likely go in and say my ingrown toenail is bothering me and get a new card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 No, see his response to my post. He's saying they are using it to get around the narcotic laws for medical usage only. And if you're going to allow it for medical usage at least require the doctor to review medical records for the issue and for God's sake have him in the same room as the "patient". I'm am finally running out of what I got (an 1/8th plus a gram) over a year and a half ago. In that time my medical card expired. I'll likely go in and say my ingrown toenail is bothering me and get a new card. I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm not. But that is your focus here. Look at other prescription drugs in this country. If they are going to legalize it for medical purposes why is it treated so much differently than let's say opiates. Not too easy to go to a doctor who doesn't even do a physical exam, who is there via Skype and get a prescription for Vicodin. If you're going to legalize it make it legal for both medical and recreational purposes and quit with the charade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 If you're going to legalize it make it legal for both medical and recreational purposes and quit with the charade. Few people would disagree with the logical conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 But that is your focus here. Look at other prescription drugs in this country. If they are going to legalize it for medical purposes why is it treated so much differently than let's say opiates. Not too easy to go to a doctor who doesn't even do a physical exam, who is there via Skype and get a prescription for Vicodin. If you're going to legalize it make it legal for both medical and recreational purposes and quit with the charade. I'm on the legalize side. There's no reason for marijuana to be illegal in a country where alcohol is legal and opiates are sold as a panacea. What I'm saying is the joke isn't the sham of a process to get a card, the joke are the laws designating weed as a class 1 narcotic because big pharma donates a lot of money to the political process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm on the legalize side. There's no reason for marijuana to be illegal in a country where alcohol is legal and opiates are sold as a panacea. What I'm saying is the joke isn't the sham of a process to get a card, the joke are the laws designating weed as a class 1 narcotic because big pharma donates a lot of money to the political process. I really don't want any more stoners here in CA than we already have thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I really don't want any more stoners here in CA than we already have thank you very much. Fair but that's a different point altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Fair but that's a different point altogether. Of course. Now the fact that I don't drink anymore I've been dabbling a little with it again and I'm leaning towards legalization. Maybe stoners are easier to be around when you're stoned yourself. Kind of like booze. Funny how that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 There is a new TV show I found called Weediquette. They investigate medical marijuana things like veterans who take it for PTSD and parents who give it to children with cancer etc. They talk to Doctors and scientists about it. Most of the doctors, due to the science, think it could be beneficial, but can't test it due to the asssinine level 1 designation. It is a TV show and I'm sure there is an agenda etc., but it does provide information and shows people, some of which, seem to be able to improve their lives beyond just getting high and playing video games in their Mom's basement. They also raise questions about if it really works too. Disregarding the whole premise because Chef Jim can get a card without seeing a Dr., is not very scientific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) The CDC has issued new guidelines for Pain Management Doctors regarding cannabis testing. DO NOT ASSUME your doctor will now be OK with patient cannabis use. Ask questions... perhaps about your mythical friend with the same condition that is having success with cannabis. Be careful. From the article “Clinicians should not test for substances for which results would not affect patient management or for which implications for patient management are unclear. For example, experts noted that there might be uncertainty about the clinical implications of a positive urine drug test for tetrahyrdocannabinol (THC).” the guidelines state. "Clinicians should not dismiss patients from care based on a urine drug test result because this could constitute patient abandonment and could have adverse consequences for patient safety, potentially including the patient obtaining opioids from alternative sources and the clinician missing opportunities to facilitate treatment for substance use disorder." http://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/3/18/45g7l80k0vufyjyhb06z2ttgxdj3vk Edited March 24, 2016 by Bob in Mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 The CDC has issued new guidelines for Pain Management Doctors regarding cannabis testing. DO NOT ASSUME your doctor will now be OK with patient cannabis use. Ask questions... perhaps about your mythical friend with the same condition that is having success with cannabis. Be carefull In other words lie to the doctor to score some drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 In other words lie to the doctor to score some drugs. High level chronic pain can cause one to question their sanity. A person that has high level chronic pain very often is afraid of going without pain medicine. Getting dropped by a Pain Doctor and having to find a new one can easily lead to a coverage gap. Pain Management Doctors will urine test a patient. The idea is to ensure that the patient is taking his prescribed medication, not selling it. Many Doctors will completely drop a patient that tests positive for cannabis use. Because of that, many patients are afraid to try cannabis to see if they can cut down on their opiate medication. The new CDC guidelines suggest to Doctors that they not drop patients that test positive for cannabis use. This will hopefully allow patients to replace their opiates with cannabis, at least to some extent. This is harm reduction in addiction terms. So, instead of trying to 'score drugs' from your Doctor, the idea is that the patient would be much better off taking less pills from your Doctor. If the Doctor is now tolerant of medical cannabis usage, it is very likely the Doctor will see a substantial drop in patient opiate usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 When I've smoked pot, I've got super paranoid, and have had panic attacks.............Can I smoke pot to stop them from happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 When I've smoked pot, I've got super paranoid, and have had panic attacks.............Can I smoke pot to stop them from happening? The key is to smoke some pot after you smoke the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 This study talks about THC injections bringing on paranoia. That problem was mentioned in an earlier thread on cannabis use by several posters. This is also one of the reasons patients do not seem to like using Marinol (synthetic THC) as much as the whole plant or whole plant extracts, in my opinion. I believe that the CBD lessens the anxious feelings but the researchers weren't looking at CBD in this study. Cannabinoids working in concert has been called the 'entourage effect'. Study Sheds Light on Marijuana and Paranoia By Peter Russell WebMD Health News Reviewed by Rob Hicks, MD July 17, 2014 -- An in-depth investigation has concluded that people who smoke marijuana are much more likely to have paranoia than people who don't use the drug. The study also identifies psychological factors that can lead to feelings of paranoia in people exposed to the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, THC. (continued at link) http://www.webmd.com...2314_hdln_2&mb= A new study suggests that a few strong whiffs of black pepper can calm anxiety brought on by marijuana How Black Pepper relieves Cannabis Anxiety By Owen Smith — 17 Jul, 2014 http://cannabisdigest.ca/black-pepper-relieves-cannabis-anxiety/ From the article While working at the Victoria Cannabis Buyers Club I was able to teach some of the members about Black Pepper. While benefiting from the medicinal effects of THC, these patients suffered from bouts with anxiety while medicating. Most patients who have tried this simply took a few sniffs of the black pepper to receive an almost immediate effect. Others have reported that after chewing on pepper corns they felt relief within an hour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Does anyone know how I can cure my sneezing after taking a few whiffs of pepper that is supposed to cure my paranoia after smoking pot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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