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[Bob in Mich]

I doubt cannabis can do much to fight the covid-19 pandemic.  Cannabinoids seem to nudge the body's own systems to act....generally relatively slowly.  This illness seems to overwhelm the respiratory system so quickly, I doubt cannabis would kill it off before it kills off a vulnerable host.  However, cannabis may yet have a role in treating symptoms.

 

I caught a respiratory bug in early February (probably from the Sabres game on 2/4).  I woke up on the 8th feeling crappy with a very heavy chest.  For medical cannabis patients, most often their underlying reason for taking med cannabis does not go away just because they have now added in a cold or the flu.  Same for me and when trying to smoke when I got this illness, it felt like the coughing may make my lungs turn inside out....way too irritating. 

 

(I am not a medical professional so these opinions are just anecdotal observations.) 

To address one's underlying issues, you can still get medicinal benefits by ingesting differently, cannabis oil or edibles specifically.  THC is a known bronchdilator and it can help with some types of breathing difficulties.  If you read the articles above, in addition, there is some indication that cannabis suppresses immune response.  If the immune response may be responsible for worsening breathing issues at some point, modulating that response may help.  In other processes, endo-cannabinoids are essentially messenger molecules which tamp down 'overactive' responses.  I am just speculating here to explain the following.

 

When I was ill I had access to high THC cannabis concentrate as well as cannabis infused coconut oil and used a little of both with my morning coffee.  Over the next several hours the positive impact on my chest congestion was so good, I thought I might actually be getting over the illness.  I could breathe soooo much better.  My cough continued but for a few hours the cough was much more productive at hoarking up lung mucus (sorry for that image).

 

Although the illness should be gone by now, I don't yet feel 100%.  I have had lingering congestion.  Is that related to immune suppression of cannabis?  It may be, I don't know, and that would certainly be a terrible side effect if so.  Before writing this up, I wanted to repeat today the cannabis/coffee experiment mentioned above.  Right now, the impact is the same, my breathing is again very much improved. 

 

If you have access to cannabis concentrates and/or cannabis infused coconut oil, buy some.  If not, you may want to consider making your own.  These products will allow you to get benefits from cannabis without smoking or vaping.  The following link goes into detail on canning the resultant oil but that is unnecessary.  The finished product can be kept for years without sealing or refrigeration. 

 

https://emilykylenutrition.com/cannabis-coconut-oil/

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[Warren Zevon]

Sorry Bob but a case of Corona and some skunk would be the dream right about now.

[Foxx]

Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories

...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ...

[bbb]

21 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories

...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ...

 

Dude - we cured all diseases last night 

[3rdnlng]

53 minutes ago, Foxx said:

Smoke weed? New study shows it can give you fake memories

...A new study reveals that weed has the ability to create “false memories”, however, these impressions won’t necessarily last. ...

You mean there's a chance I really didn't have a threesome with Reese Witherspoon and Kat Timpf last night? 

[Foxx]

22 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You mean there's a chance I really didn't have a threesome with Reese Witherspoon and Kat Timpf last night? 

not to worry, you won't remember in a few anyways.

[3rdnlng]

24 minutes ago, Foxx said:

not to worry, you won't remember in a few anyways.

I could tell you things!

[ALF]

Blood test 'can check for more than 50 types of cancer'

 

A simple blood test can check for more than 50 types of cancer, often before any signs or symptoms, scientists say.

It could help diagnose tumours sooner, when they are easier to treat and, ideally, cure, experts hope.

 

More than 99% of positive results are accurate, the team says, but it will be crucial to check it does not miss cases and provide false assurance.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52090359

 

Not sure where else to put this , I hate to start a thread , but interesting item.

[Nanker]

What entities out there are testing marijuana therapies to treat the Chinese virus?  

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Nanker said:

What entities out there are testing marijuana therapies to treat the Chinese virus?  

 

I miss the days when you were preaching to everyone the death rate of the seasonal flu is 1%

[Nanker]

I've been consistent in saying that the mortality rate of flu victims who are hospitalized is higher than that. 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Not everyone that gets the flu goes to a doctor.

Not everyone that goes to a Dr. gets hospitalized.

Those that do get hospitalized die at a significantly high rate.

But you know that, and you're now free to go about bashing the POTUS.

 

Symptomatic Illnesses		Medical Visits		Hospitalizations		Deaths
Season	Estimate	95% U I	Estimate	95% U I	Estimate	95% U I	Estimate	95% U I
2010-2011	21,000,000	(20,000,000 – 25,000,000)	10,000,000	(9,300,000 – 12,000,000)	290,000	(270,000 – 350,000)	37,000	(32,000 – 51,000)
2011-2012	9,300,000	(8,700,000 – 12,000,000)	4,300,000	(4,000,000 – 5,600,000)	140,000	(130,000 – 190,000)	12,000	(11,000 – 23,000)
2012-2013	34,000,000	(32,000,000 – 38,000,000)	16,000,000	(15,000,000 – 18,000,000)	570,000	(530,000 – 680,000)	43,000	(37,000 – 57,000)
2013-2014	30,000,000	(28,000,000 – 33,000,000)	13,000,000	(12,000,000 – 15,000,000)	350,000	(320,000 – 390,000)	38,000	(33,000 – 50,000)
2014-2015	30,000,000	(29,000,000 – 33,000,000)	14,000,000	(13,000,000 – 16,000,000)	590,000	(540,000 – 680,000)	51,000	(44,000 – 64,000)
2015-2016	24,000,000	(20,000,000 – 33,000,000)	11,000,000	(9,000,000 – 15,000,000)	280,000	(220,000 – 480,000)	23,000	(17,000 – 35,000)
2016-2017	29,000,000	(25,000,000 – 45,000,000)	14,000,000	(11,000,000 – 23,000,000)	500,000	(380,000 – 860,000)	38,000	(29,000 – 61,000)

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

But you know that, and you're now free to go about bashing the POTUS.

 

Thanks for the permission 

 

[Nanker]

30 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Thanks for the permission 

 

 

You don't need my permission to be an abject a ### h ####. You're a self-made man.

Edited March 31, 2020 by Nanker

[Bob in Mich]

On 3/18/2020 at 9:19 AM, Bob in Mich said:

https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-coronavirus-covid-19-facts

 

https://www.leafly.com/news/health/cannabis-cold-flu-experts-discuss

 

 

Quote

 

 

I doubt cannabis can do much to fight the covid-19 pandemic.  Cannabinoids seem to nudge the body's own systems to act....generally relatively slowly.  This illness seems to overwhelm the respiratory system so quickly, I doubt cannabis would kill it off before it kills off a vulnerable host.  However, cannabis may yet have a role in treating symptoms.

 

I caught a respiratory bug in early February (probably from the Sabres game on 2/4).  I woke up on the 8th feeling crappy with a very heavy chest.  For medical cannabis patients, most often their underlying reason for taking med cannabis does not go away just because they have now added in a cold or the flu.  Same for me and when trying to smoke when I got this illness, it felt like the coughing may make my lungs turn inside out....way too irritating. 

 

(I am not a medical professional so these opinions are just my observations.) 

To address one's underlying issues, you can still get medicinal benefits by ingesting differently, cannabis oil or edibles specifically.  THC is a known bronchodilator and it can help with some types of breathing difficulties.  If you read the articles above, in addition, there is some indication that cannabis suppresses immune response.  If the immune response may be responsible for worsening breathing issues at some point, modulating that response may help.  In other processes, endo-cannabinoids are essentially messenger molecules which tamp down 'overactive' responses.  I am just speculating here to explain the following.

 

When I was ill I had access to high THC cannabis concentrate as well as cannabis infused coconut oil and used a little of both with my morning coffee.  Over the next several hours the positive impact on my chest congestion was so good, I thought I might actually be getting over the illness.  I could breathe soooo much better.  My cough continued but for a few hours the cough was much more productive at hoarking up lung mucus (sorry for that image).

 

Although the illness should be gone by now, I don't yet feel 100%.  I have had lingering congestion.  Is that related to immune suppression of cannabis?  It may be, I don't know, and that would certainly be a terrible side effect if so.  Before writing this up, I wanted to repeat today the cannabis/coffee experiment mentioned above.  Right now, the impact is the same, my breathing is again very much improved. 

 

If you have access to cannabis concentrates and/or cannabis infused coconut oil, buy some.  If not, you may want to consider making your own.  These products will allow you to get benefits from cannabis without smoking or vaping.  The following link goes into detail on canning the resultant oil but that is unnecessary.  The finished product can be kept for years without sealing or refrigeration. 

 

https://emilykylenutrition.com/cannabis-coconut-oil/

 

 

I have been reading a bit more about the 'cytokine storm' that seems to overwhelm the lungs in covid-19 patients.  This is essentially an overreaction by our immune system to the virus.  It seems that this overreaction is at the heart of the fluid build up in the lungs and so to the shortness of breath issue.  With THC being a bronchodilator, there may be a treatment hidden in here somewhere I think.

 

I am no expert in this field, unfortunately.  From what I have read, many of the potential pharma treatments try to also quiet this cytokine storm.  I am curious if there is any actual current research on using cannabinoids to try to treat covid-19 patients.

 

https://www.projectcbd.org/medicine/cannabis-cbd-covid-19

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2828614/

 

from the study

 

Executive summary

Cannabinoids, the active components of Cannabis sativa, and endogenous cannabinoids mediate their effects through activation of specific cannabinoid receptors known as cannabinoid receptor 1 and 2 (CB1 and CB2).

The cannabinoid system has been shown both in vivo and in vitro to be involved in regulating the immune system through its immunomodulatory properties.

Cannabinoids suppress inflammatory response and subsequently attenuate disease symptoms. This property of cannabinoids is mediated through multiple pathways such as induction of apoptosis in activated immune cells, suppression of cytokines and chemokines at inflammatory sites and upregulation of FoxP3+ regulatory T cells.

Cannabinoids have been tested in several experimental models of autoimmune disorders such as multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, colitis and hepatitis and have been shown to protect the host from the pathogenesis through induction of multiple anti-inflammatory pathways.

Cannabinoids may also be beneficial in certain types of cancers that are triggered by chronic inflammation. In such instances, cannabinoids can either directly inhibit tumor growth or suppress inflammation and tumor angiogenesis.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[bbb]

 

 

[3rdnlng]

6 hours ago, bbb said:

 

 

Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs?

[Koko78]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs?

 

On the bright side, any damage to your lungs from smoking pot is cured through the magic of smoking pot.

[Chef Jim]

On 2/24/2020 at 6:19 AM, Tiberius said:

Executive orders are so much fun! 

 

Bernie will legalize pot on day one. 

 

Day one! 

 

This is not aging well.  

[3rdnlng]

19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

This is not aging well.  

Neither is Bernie. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Do you mean to say that smoking weed isn't good for your lungs?

Sadly enough many- and I by that I mean the majority- of high school students believe pot is not bad for your lungs. I have no moral qualms with smoking it but I am sick of hearing pot never killed anyone. It is smoke into your lungs therefore it is bad, maybe not as bad as cigarettes but still bad.