3rdnlng Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 The stimulus. It saved jobs. Stuff was shovel ready, except when it wasn't. I mean, yeah, most of the money was laundered to Obama supporters, and none of it went to helping the problem, but it was a stimulus, and one time Bush did a stimulus and I don't remember you being upset about that, and did you hear what Cheney said because he's a war criminal, and oh, look! Gum drops and sarsaparilla!!! He/She sounds like it gets their news from John Stewart. Just another buffoon, not up to snuff on politics or the reality of the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'll bet you say that when commenting on Obama's attempt to clean up the 2008 crisis mess, too, right? Yeah, right..... I'm pretty sure I called Obama an idiot too. You got a point to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'm pretty sure I called Obama an idiot too. You got a point to make? Oh, I'm sure you did--that's my point. You seem to be willing to give Brownback (an "idiot" you admit) time for his policy prescriptions to work (and use that as an excuse as to why they don't even as evidence piles up around you that they don't), but I'd wager that's not the same thing you say when discussing Obama's job on the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Oh, I'm sure you did--that's my point. You seem to be willing to give Brownback (an "idiot" you admit) time for his policy prescriptions to work (and use that as an excuse as to why they don't even as evidence piles up around you that they don't), but I'd wager that's not the same thing you say when discussing Obama's job on the economy. Tell us what Obama's policy is on the economy. Please be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Tell us what Obama's policy is on the economy. Please be specific. obviously an attendant the ppp right wing nut job school of debate. he's calling someone out for a double standard. he's wasn't defending obama nor is there a need to for making the argument. but it's helpful from you perspective to conflate several issues. because he's right. Edited July 25, 2014 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Oh, I'm sure you did--that's my point. You seem to be willing to give Brownback (an "idiot" you admit) time for his policy prescriptions to work (and use that as an excuse as to why they don't even as evidence piles up around you that they don't), but I'd wager that's not the same thing you say when discussing Obama's job on the economy. You're comparing apples and cinderblocks. I didn't give Brownback any favor - I simply called the original article stupid because it is. If you want to debate the merits of tax cuts versus stimulus spending, let's do it. I'd much rather starve the government than feed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Outline where I said that. I simply pointed out the deep flaws in the way you were labeling certain types of taxes. Taxes like the Flat Tax, the Fair Tax, and even a National Sales Tax with carved out exemptions are all progressive taxes. That they may not be as progressive as you would prefer doesn't change that. Fair enough. I think a national sales tax would be a joke though. Would never work You're comparing apples and cinderblocks. I didn't give Brownback any favor - I simply called the original article stupid because it is. If you want to debate the merits of tax cuts versus stimulus spending, let's do it. I'd much rather starve the government than feed it. There would be fewer jobs if you starved the beast and didn't redistribute enough wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Fair enough. I think a national sales tax would be a joke though. Would never work Why not? It's already proven to work at the state level, most of the infrastructure is already in place, and with carved out exemptions for essentials like food, it wouldn't disproportionately harm the poor. Edited July 25, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Why not? It's already proven to work at the state level, most of the infrastructure is already in place, and with carved out exemptions for essentials like food, it wouldn't disproportionately harm the poor. What percentage of a mark up are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 What percentage of a mark up are you talking about? In the neiborhood of 20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 In the neiborhood of 20%. And that won't increase black market activity, suppress consumer spending and hurt the economy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 And that won't increase black market activity, suppress consumer spending and hurt the economy? A suppression of consumer spending is simply another way of saying an increase of savings and investment, which will put Americans on much surer financial footing, decreasing poverty, enriching retirement, and eliminating personal debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 A suppression of consumer spending is simply another way of saying an increase of savings and investment, which will put Americans on much surer financial footing, decreasing poverty, enriching retirement, and eliminating personal debt. Until the government confiscates people's savings by forcing it into savings' bonds for the people's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 And that won't increase black market activity, suppress consumer spending and hurt the economy? Not really because income tax will go away and people will be willing to pay. Lololololololololololololol. Don't forget, in fantasyland music and stealing other people's ideas would be free and 20% of $0 is pretty cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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