YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 Easley led the league in special teams tackles last season. He isn't going anywhere, IMHO. Dumb question but on a 53 man roster are there ever any ST-only designated spots or does someone have to make it at their position?
The Big Cat Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I hope we sign a DE before the start of the season, for depth. If Mario gets hurt, we are F&^%$d. I agree. But I'm not sure what an available DE could do to alleviate his loss.
zazie Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I'm jaded given the inability of our annual "training camp sleeper" (which all seem to be WR's) never, ever panning out. In the last 8 years or so: Justin Jenkins Felton Huggins Marcus Easley Chris Hogan Da'Rick Rodgers George Wilson (though he did eventually find it at safety) Andre Davis Kevin Elliot Sam Aiken Jonathan Smith (Fast Freddie) Namaan Roosevelt Derek Hagan Ruvell Martin XAVIER OMAN!
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2014 Author Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I agree. But I'm not sure what an available DE could do to alleviate his loss. None that are available now (maybe Babin). But at the final cuts... usually there are some surprises. If it is a pass rushing DE I think he could catch up relatively quickly with missing camp as long as he was in another team's camp. Of course he won't be a stud or the team won't cut him but he could be better than what we have behind our starters or at least more depth. Strong rosters like SF and Seattle would be ones to watch at cut time. Or STL since their starting DL is stacked. Edited July 17, 2014 by YoloinOhio
The Big Cat Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 XAVIER OMAN! ...was a RB, but yes, your point is taken. Can't mention him without also mentioning Dwayne Wright. Sadly, neither of them ever lived up to the standards set by standouts like Shaud Williams or Anthony Thomas.
The Big Cat Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Joique Bell ...is poised to have another good year in Detroit.
eball Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Good for Kevin. Being away from home can make it difficult to sleep; I'm glad he is getting his rest. I'm jaded given the inability of our annual "training camp sleeper" (which all seem to be WR's) never, ever panning out. In the last 8 years or so: <snip> How can you forget Kamil Loud and Kwame Cavil?
4BillsintheBurgh Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 If they really like Hogan through camp, they will probably be picking between Easley and Elliot.. Unless they keep 7... I can't recall if teams keep 5-6 or 6-7 I think Hogan is going to have to show willingness and ability on ST in order to make it, though... Do you mean Elliot? I think Hogan already is on ST. You have to look at slot vs outside wr's also, if we keep 6 do you have 3 guys on the inside with woods doing both in a pinch or do you go with 2 inside including woods and 4 outside? I also think we may see some TJ Graham returning KO/punts late in preseason games if the front office thinks they can get something for him in a trade. If he can catch the ball consistently in practice, of course.
Mark Vader Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 ...was a RB, but yes, your point is taken. Can't mention him without also mentioning Dwayne Wright. Sadly, neither of them ever lived up to the standards set by standouts like Shaud Williams or Anthony Thomas. Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but Anthony Thomas was a good RB for us.
CountryCletus Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Do you mean Elliot? I think Hogan already is on ST. You have to look at slot vs outside wr's also, if we keep 6 do you have 3 guys on the inside with woods doing both in a pinch or do you go with 2 inside including woods and 4 outside? I also think we may see some TJ Graham returning KO/punts late in preseason games if the front office thinks they can get something for him in a trade. If he can catch the ball consistently in practice, of course. No- I mean Hogan has to show SOMETHING on ST... Yes he was on them, but he was invisible...
Bob Malooga Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) if only they could keep 7. Jax fans on twitter saying they feel Mularkey made him a scapegoat by cutting him the day after he dropped the 3 passes. They wish he was still there, lots of potential. I know Hogan is good in minicamp but how us he when there is actual contact? I just don't like his upside. But I understand why he keeps making the team. I feel the same way, and have said so numerous times...I'd much rather keep Kevin Elliott over Chris Hogan. Chris Hogan couldn't make the Miami Dolphins squad when they had Brian Hartline as a #1 WR and nothing else on the depth chart. He stays open like "7/11" because he is not a threat. I also recall him dropping a wide open pass in a game last year, or running the wrong route. There is nothing about him that screams "NFL WR" to me, but Elliott has all the tools and the size. I don't like keeping a WR only because of special teams, he needs to contribute elsewhere too. I'd rather keep Graham, a draft pick, for another year to see if he can step up his game, than waste a roster spot on Chris Hogan because he has a cool nickname. I'm jaded given the inability of our annual "training camp sleeper" (which all seem to be WR's) never, ever panning out. In the last 8 years or so: Justin Jenkins Felton Huggins Marcus Easley Chris Hogan Da'Rick Rodgers George Wilson (though he did eventually find it at safety) Andre Davis Kevin Elliot Sam Aiken Jonathan Smith (Fast Freddie) Namaan Roosevelt Derek Hagan Ruvell Martin Half of them were never expected to be much of anything, especially Ruvell Martin! Lol. But, don't forget Ramses Barden...who people thought eliminated the need to draft a Mike Evans or Eric Ebron in the 1st round this year. He probably won't even make it to the final cuts. (Da'Rick Rogers is the ONLY one out of all of them that I EVER had ANY hope for...and he is better than all of them already.) Edited July 17, 2014 by Bob Malooga
CountryCletus Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I feel the same way, and have said so numerous times...I'd much rather keep Kevin Elliott over Chris Hogan. Chris Hogan couldn't make the Miami Dolphins squad when they had Brian Hartline as a #1 WR and nothing else on the depth chart. He stays open like "7/11" because he is not a threat. I also recall him dropping a wide open pass in a game last year, or running the wrong route. There is nothing about him that screams "NFL WR" to me, but Elliott has all the tools and the size. I don't like keeping a WR only because of special teams, he needs to contribute elsewhere too. I'd rather keep Graham, a draft pick, for another year to see if he can step up his game, than waste a roster spot on Chris Hogan because he has a cool nickname. Half of them were never expected to be much of anything, especially Ruvell Martin! Lol. But, don't forget Ramses Barden...who people thought eliminated the need to draft a Mike Evans or Eric Ebron in the 1st round this year. He probably won't even make it to the final cuts. (Da'Rick Rogers is the ONLY one out of all of them that I EVER had ANY hope for...and he is better than all of them already.) I just think that a WR that far down on the depth chart HAS to contribute on ST.... He also must provide a competent presence in the passing game...
3rdand12 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) TJ will have to prove himself before the season begins to stay on. The Hogan Elliot situation is a good one to watch. Surprised a little about some folks taking a stand on either of them. I think Easly has competition. Hogan might be better than some think . But as far as special teams goes last year http://espn.go.com/n...402/chris-hogan Didn't he make some ST tackles ? I thought he has been mentioned by the coaches more than once. but not 3 times , that he is a potential core ST guy? If he bulked up and or worked on his speed etc. Isn't possible he might be better than he looked to you guys last year. I didnt look at his drop rate though in his limited WR role . Like i said good battle to watch. And i have think six and a PS guy or two to stash Edited July 18, 2014 by 3rdand12
Mark Vader Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 Good for Kevin. Being away from home can make it difficult to sleep; I'm glad he is getting his rest. How can you forget Kamil Loud and Kwame Cavil? And Reggie Germany.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) TJ will have to prove himself before the season begins to stay on. The Hogan Elliot situation is a good one to watch. Surprised a little about some folks taking a stand on either of them. I think Easly has competition. Hogan might be better than some think . But as far as special teams goes last year http://espn.go.com/n...402/chris-hogan Didn't he make some ST tackles ? I thought he has been mentioned by the coaches more than once. but not 3 times , that he is a potential core ST guy? If he bulked up and or worked on his speed etc. Isn't possible he might be better than he looked to you guys last year. I didnt look at his drop rate though in his limited WR role . Like i said good battle to watch. And i have think six and a PS guy or two to stash If there is a battle, it is between Hogan, Easley, Graham and Elliott. I don't think Easley has anything to worry about. As I posted earlier, Easley led the league in special teams tackles last season. Very tough to replace that level of contribution on ST. JMO Edited July 18, 2014 by Johnny Hammersticks
CountryCletus Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 TJ will have to prove himself before the season begins to stay on. The Hogan Elliot situation is a good one to watch. Surprised a little about some folks taking a stand on either of them. I think Easly has competition. Hogan might be better than some think . But as far as special teams goes last year http://espn.go.com/n...402/chris-hogan Didn't he make some ST tackles ? I thought he has been mentioned by the coaches more than once. but not 3 times , that he is a potential core ST guy? If he bulked up and or worked on his speed etc. Isn't possible he might be better than he looked to you guys last year. I didnt look at his drop rate though in his limited WR role . Like i said good battle to watch. And i have think six and a PS guy or two to stash Agree... It's certainly a race and as Hogan has areas to improve as a STer, Easley has areas to improve as a WR... Admittedly, I don't know a great deal about Elliot, and unless some brilliant light goes off for Graham, I think he's gone...
Mark Vader Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 If there is a battle, it is between Hogan, Easley, Graham and Elliott. I don't think Easley has anything to worry about. As I posted earlier, Easley led the league in special teams tackles last season. Very tough to replace that level of contribution on ST. JMO Yep, Easley has proven himself on ST. After him, take your pick. I don't see how Graham can make it.
3rdand12 Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 If there is a battle, it is between Hogan, Easley, Graham and Elliott. I don't think Easley has anything to worry about. As I posted earlier, Easley led the league in special teams tackles last season. Very tough to replace that level of contribution on ST. JMO Fair enough conclusion. i might think that was Danny C,s doing though .
YoloinOhio Posted July 18, 2014 Author Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) And Reggie Germany. 0.0 GPA at one point at osu Edited July 18, 2014 by YoloinOhio
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