What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[B-Man]

Shooter apparently hated Republicans and Christians

 

and so The Left blames Republicans and Christians for his rampage.

 

Now that’s leftist logic.

 

Perhaps they should look in a mirror, and at their own rhetoric

Edited November 6, 2017 by B-Man

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Shooter apparently hated Republicans and Christians

 

and so The Left blames Republicans and Christians for his rampage.

 

Now that’s leftist logic.

 

Perhaps they should look in a mirror, and at their own rhetoric

 

Well, they are Nazis, so he was morally justified in shooting them...

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Well, they are Nazis, so he was morally justified in shooting them...

 

Exactly the type of rhetoric that they used in Virginia.

 

"why are you arresting me, I should be allowed to punch Nazi's"

 

Of course, they get to decide who is a Nazi and who isn't

[Koko78]

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Exactly the type of rhetoric that they used in Virginia.

 

"why are you arresting me, I should be allowed to punch Nazi's"

 

Of course, they get to decide who is a Nazi and who isn't

 

Isn't the very definition of 'Nazi' anyone who doesn't agree with a liberal?

[B-Man]

Seems one of the biggest debates after the horrible shooting in Sutherland Springs, TX has been whether or not Kelley had his weapon legally. The left desperately needs the firearm to be legal so they can point fingers at a failed system and insist we’re not doing enough to keep bad people from being armed.

 

Governor Abbott however just rained all over their parade:

 

Quote

 

Ryan Struyk

✔ @ryanstruyk 

ABBOTT: "Devin Kelley sought to get a license to carry a gun in the state of Texas, but the State of Texas denied him the ability to get a gun."

9:16 AM - Nov 6, 2017

 

Which makes the argument that more gun control laws would work, stupid.

 

Clearly, gun control laws failed miserably; Kelley proved what we already know, that criminals do not obey the law. And if you limit ownership and firearms the only people who will obey the law are obeying the law in the first place.

[row_33]

3 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

He was denied a license to carry a gun by Texas.

 

http://wgntv.com/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-suspect-devin-kelley-denied-gun-license-governor-says/

 

So he committed a felony by having a gun.  There, that helped stop him

 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

He was denied a license to carry a gun by Texas.

 

http://wgntv.com/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-suspect-devin-kelley-denied-gun-license-governor-says/

So there background check is taking the consumers word for it?  Tough standards.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Doc Brown

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

So their background check is taking the consumers word for it?  Tough standards.

 

Not necessarily.  There are different kinds of background checks for different agencies; not every background check you run on someone will return every crime they've committed.  I don't know what Texas uses for firearm purchases.

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

So he committed a felony by having a gun.  There, that helped stop him

 

 

If they had only put a 'gun free zone' sign in front of the church...

[boyst]

ya'll know the severity of being caught with a gun if you're a felon?

1) if you're a violent person and using it for that purpose you're going to have one anyway

2) it's ridiculous not to permit felons from obtaining a firearm.  some states, do though

[B-Man]

More laws would not do much if the current ones aren't followed

 

 

Quote

 

NPR 
✔@NPR

NPR's @TBowmanNPR reports Kelley was able to purchase firearms because @usairforce failed to enter assault conviction in federal database.

4:59 PM - Nov 6, 2017

 

 

 

Human error cost human lives

 

Government error was also to blame in Charleston background check. Maybe government incompetence is the problem?    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-south-carolina-shooting/u-s-sued-over-flawed-gun-background-check-in-charleston-church-shooting-idUSKCN0ZH5GA …

 

 

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Edited November 7, 2017 by B-Man

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

More laws would not do much if the current ones aren't followed

 

 

 

 

Human error cost human lives

 

Government error was also to blame in Charleston background check. Maybe government incompetence is the problem?    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-south-carolina-shooting/u-s-sued-over-flawed-gun-background-check-in-charleston-church-shooting-idUSKCN0ZH5GA …

 

 

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Everyone's fault but the guy who pulled the trigger...  

[B-Man]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Everyone's fault but the guy who pulled the trigger...  

 

 

Yeah..............funny how that works out Tom, just once I would like one of these shooters to live long enough to go to trial, so the media can try and spin that

 

[Gary M]

 

This Douche bag beat his wife/girlfriend and fractured an infants skull, someone please explain to me why he was not incarcerated.

 

Those people would be alive today if he was in prison.

[TH3]

On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 9:01 AM, LeviF91 said:

Time to have a national conversation about left wing terrorism. 

 

June: Bernie bro shoots up Congressmen at baseball practice

September: Refugee shoots up church in Tennessee

October: Registered Democrat kills 60 at country music concert

November: Atheist with antifa sympathies shoots up church in Texas

And just the other day a crazed leftist attacked Senator Rand Paul in his backyard.

 

Dude - you have chosen to be misinformed....

 

Having a gun  is a symbol and source of empowerment - and as well - gets one membership on the gun team. You have something in your possession that empowers you over the people that surround you. When you are on the gun team - you get to rail against the establishment - liberals - its fun - its gives you identity - see the comments above...feel your identification in motion folks.. Pretty simple - empowerment and identity - basics of human satisfaction.

 

Mass shootings are the ultimate extension of empowerment - people feel themselves backed into a corner by society, by their in laws, prompted by the internet - whatever - taking down dozens - or hundreds (or in the case of ISIS - millions) - is the what fulfills the shooters sense of empowerment - its the common thread..

 

The mass shootings we have in the US are simply the farthest outlier on the bell curve of gun society and gun culture - empowerment and identity.

 

We have the most guns - we have the most gun violence - we are unique in our gun culture. Until the gun culture component of our country decides that they have had enough of this stuff - it will continue.

Edited November 7, 2017 by baskin

[LeviF]

10 minutes ago, baskin said:

 

Dude - you have chosen to be misinformed....

 

Having a gun  is a symbol and source of empowerment - and as well - gets one membership on the gun team. You have something in your possession that empowers you over the people that surround you. When you are on the gun team - you get to rail against the establishment - liberals - its fun - its gives you identity - see the comments above...feel your identification in motion folks.. Pretty simple - empowerment and identity - basics of human satisfaction.

 

Mass shootings are the ultimate extension of empowerment - people feel themselves backed into a corner by society, by their in laws, prompted by the internet - whatever - taking down dozens - or hundreds (or in the case of ISIS - millions) - is the what fulfills the shooters sense of empowerment - its the common thread..

 

The mass shootings we have in the US are simply the farthest outlier on the bell curve of gun society and gun culture - empowerment and identity.

 

We have the most guns - we have the most gun violence - we are unique in our gun culture. Until the gun culture component of our country decides that they have had enough of this stuff - it will continue.

 

Whatever **** you smoked before your intro to psych lecture this morning...I want some. 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Gary M said:

 

This Douche bag beat his wife/girlfriend and fractured an infants skull, someone please explain to me why he was not incarcerated.

 

Those people would be alive today if he was in prison.

 

Libs don't want to punish criminals, nor do they want the mentally ill to undergo involuntary treatment.

 

 

 

[Gary M]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

Libs don't want to punish criminals, nor do they want the mentally ill to undergo involuntary treatment.

 

 

Easier to blame the NRA.

 

Still waiting for someone to blame AAA for the NYC Halloween attack

[row_33]

Of course when some wack-job hates people and commits violence the people should try to figure out why they are so wrong.

 

 

[DC Tom]

7 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

This Douche bag beat his wife/girlfriend and fractured an infants skull, someone please explain to me why he was not incarcerated.

 

Those people would be alive today if he was in prison.

 

He was incarcerated.