What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[B-Man]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[aristocrat]

8 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

Their God-given right to do so, so I've heard. 

so then they get jailed for illegal possession of a weapon and then deported after as well? is that your idea?

[dgrochester55]

I am for some measures such as increase background checks, but no type of ban. There has to be a bipartisan way to look into these shootings and stop them from happening so much which looks at multiple factors and proposed more than "banning all guns".  A ban is not that simple because it never factors in the criminals disobedience of the laws or the systems ability to universally enforce it.

 

The problem is that the same party that want to take the guns away from the responsible citizen also want to reduce and remove police forces and put through lax bail reform laws. If any new law comes out, it will be disobeyed by the criminals while less people can defend themselves. I do not trust the same systems that have lets thousands upon thousands of people come in an roam around the country unchecked to properly make sure that every single gun law is being enforced for every person.

Edited December 17, 2024 by dgrochester55

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

16 hours ago, Roundybout said:

“Ahhhhh! Government! So scary! Ahhhh!”

 

I will say though, it gonna be useful for the migrants to have guns for when Trump’s brown shirt gestapo rolls up.

Deport them all! 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Deport them all! 

You can certainly try 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

20 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

You can certainly try 

I won't, but Homan will. You break the law you deserve everything that comes with it.

[Roundybout]

13 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

I won't, but Homan will. You break the law you deserve everything that comes with it.

I’ll look forward to Trump’s little gestapo FAAFO

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

22 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

I’ll look forward to Trump’s little gestapo FAAFO

You mean upholding the law? Ohh scary.

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, dgrochester55 said:

I am for some measures such as increase background checks, but no type of ban. There has to be a bipartisan way to look into these shootings and stop them from happening so much which looks at multiple factors and proposed more than "banning all guns".  A ban is not that simple because it never factors in the criminals disobedience of the laws or the systems ability to universally enforce it.

 

The problem is that the same party that want to take the guns away from the responsible citizen also want to reduce and remove police forces and put through lax bail reform laws. If any new law comes out, it will be disobeyed by the criminals while less people can defend themselves. I do not trust the same systems that have lets thousands upon thousands of people come in an roam around the country unchecked to properly make sure that every single gun law is being enforced for every person.

 

The problem isn't the guns.

 

[Roundybout]

54 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

You mean upholding the law? Ohh scary.

Birthright citizenship is enshrined in the constitution 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Birthright citizenship is enshrined in the constitution 

Ok what about the other few million? Just stop, you're not on the right side of this argument.

[B-Man]

21 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Birthright citizenship is enshrined in the constitution 

 

Close, but wrong again.

 

“The Citizenship Clause’s Original Meaning and What It Means Today,”

 

Congress definitively settled that question in 1866 when it passed the Fourteenth Amendment. The problem is that Congress’s answer was far different from what Americans today often assume. 

 

Even though the U.S. government has long abided by a policy of universal birthright citizenship–that is, of treating all persons born in the United States as citizens, regardless of the immigration status of their parents–the reality is that the Constitution doesn’t mandate this policy. 

 

In fact, while the Citizenship Clause eliminated race-based barriers to birthright citizenship, Congress expressly intended to limit birthright citizenship based on the strength of a person’s relationship to the United States. 

 

More importantly, the government today needn’t amend the Constitution in order to restrict citizenship for the U.S.-born children of illegal or non-immigrant aliens. It could simply stop abiding by a broad policy never required by the Constitution in the first place. 

 

https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/does-the-constitution-mandate-universal-birthright-citizenship-heres

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by B-Man

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

GOOD FOR POLAND:  

 

Poland has become the first EU country to introduce compulsory gun & shooting classes in all its elementary schools.

 

 

 

[K D]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

GOOD FOR POLAND:  

 

Poland has become the first EU country to introduce compulsory gun & shooting classes in all its elementary schools.

 

 

 

Firearm education is a must. People fear what they don't understand. Everyone in the US should also be required to take a hands on live fire safety course.

[Orlando Buffalo]

On 12/17/2024 at 8:23 AM, dgrochester55 said:

I am for some measures such as increase background checks, but no type of ban. There has to be a bipartisan way to look into these shootings and stop them from happening so much which looks at multiple factors and proposed more than "banning all guns".  A ban is not that simple because it never factors in the criminals disobedience of the laws or the systems ability to universally enforce it.

 

The problem is that the same party that want to take the guns away from the responsible citizen also want to reduce and remove police forces and put through lax bail reform laws. If any new law comes out, it will be disobeyed by the criminals while less people can defend themselves. I do not trust the same systems that have lets thousands upon thousands of people come in an roam around the country unchecked to properly make sure that every single gun law is being enforced for every person.

I agree with almost all of this but add the question, what more info do you want about people buying guns and what standards would you use? This kid was given a gun by her parents, as was Sandy Hook, more often than not the problem is terrible people around the shooters but who don't have any obvious tells 

[K D]

[B-Man]

 

 

                  

 

[K D]

They are really trying to ban knives lol! What's next, forks? It was the knife's fault not this guy in the photo right?? Should you have to show ID to buy a hammer? A baseball bat?