LeviF Posted April 30 Posted April 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Unfortunately 2023 data is not even close to accurate since many of the largest departments have not (yet?) reported their numbers to the FBI. The 2022 data just came out in October and even that wasn't *complete*. Edited April 30 by LeviF 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 30 Posted April 30 lack of details or reporting on this by the msm. Why.. 1
K D Posted April 30 Posted April 30 35 minutes ago, LeviF said: Who's shooting the guns in those counties? 3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: lack of details or reporting on this by the msm. Why.. But I thought guns were the problem. In my small town everyone has a gun and we don't even lock our doors. I don't even own a key for my house. It's unlocked right now. 2
ChiGoose Posted April 30 Posted April 30 Oh look! More guns means more gun deaths! What a surprise! Seems impossible though, since I've been reassured that there will be a good guy with a gun who will stop the bad guy with a gun... Gun Ownership and Firearm-related Deaths "There was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths (r ¼ 0.80; P <.0001) (Figure, A), with Japan being on one end of the spectrum and the US being on the other." "We then sought to evaluate whether possessing guns would make a nation safer, as has been a widespread contention. We used the crime rate per 100,000 population as an indicator of safety of the nation. There was no significant correlation (r ¼ 0.33) between guns per capita per country and crime rate (P ¼ .10), arguing against the notion of more guns translating into less crime (Figure, B)." "The present data suggest that the number of guns per capita per country correlated strongly and was an independent predictor of firearm-related deaths. Additionally, in a linear regression model there was a correlation with mental illness, but this was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Although correlation is not synonymous with causation, it seems conceivable that abundant gun availability facilitates firearm-related deaths. Conversely, high crime rates may instigate widespread anxiety and fear, thereby motivating people to arm themselves and give rise to increased gun ownership, which, in turn, increases availability. The resulting vicious cycle could, bit-by-bit, lead to the polarized status that is now the case with the US. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis purporting to show that countries with the higher gun ownership are safer than those with low gun ownership." 1
K D Posted April 30 Posted April 30 The number of cars is directly correlated with the number of car accidents. In Amish county, almost no car accidents! Also the number of hearts is directly correlated to the number of hearts attacks. 1
ChiGoose Posted April 30 Posted April 30 9 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The number of cars is directly correlated with the number of car accidents. In Amish county, almost no car accidents! Also the number of hearts is directly correlated to the number of hearts attacks. I'm glad you agree that the "good guy with a gun" defense for the pro-gun crowd is a dumb myth not supported by facts or reality. 1 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 30 Posted April 30 19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: The number of cars is directly correlated with the number of car accidents. In Amish county, almost no car accidents! Also the number of hearts is directly correlated to the number of hearts attacks. its flawed data provided by a DEM PAC with 10K doctors counted as members. there are over a million doctors in the USA Same site was 100% supportive of mandates, vaccines, school closures. its got the integrity of the OP that posted it. 1
ChiGoose Posted April 30 Posted April 30 What's that? People need more data about gun ownership and gun deaths? No problem! There's plenty of it because the connection is both true and obvious! From Johns Hopkins: "Overwhelming evidence shows that firearm ownership and access is associated with increased suicide, homicide, unintentional firearm deaths, and injuries." "It has been well-documented that firearm ownership rates are associated with increased firearm-related death rates. Among high-income countries, the United States is an outlier in terms of firearm violence. The U.S. has the highest firearm ownership and highest firearm death rates of 27 high-income countries." "The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. is nearly 25 times higher than other high-income countries and the firearm suicide rate is nearly 10 times that of other high-income countries." "In general, the states with the highest gun death rates tend to be states in the South or Mountain West, with weaker gun laws and higher levels of gun ownership, while gun death rates are lower in the Northeast, where gun violence prevention laws are stronger." "Over four decades of public health research consistently finds that firearm ownership increases the risk of firearm homicide, suicide, and unintentional injury. Nevertheless, more than 6 in 10 Americans believe that a firearm in the home makes the family safer—a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000.13 This increase in perceived safety is reflected in shifting reasons for firearm ownership. In a 2023 Pew Research survey, more than two-thirds (71%) of firearm owners cited protection as a major reason for ownership.14 This represents a notable increase from the mid-1990s, when the majority of American firearm owners cited recreation as their primary reason for ownership and fewer than half owned firearms primarily for protection." "Research runs counter to these changing public perceptions of firearms providing safety. It shows that firearm ownership puts individuals and their families at higher risk of injury and death. Individuals who choose to own a firearm can mitigate many of the risks associated with ownership by always storing their firearms unloaded and locked in a secure place, and refraining from carrying their firearms in public places. " "Firearm owners can make their homes safer through secure firearm storage practices. Unfortunately, the majority of U.S. firearm owners choose to leave their firearms unlocked, allowing children or persons, who are at risk for violence to self or others, to access them. An estimated 4.6 million children live in households with at least one firearm that is loaded and unlocked. These unsafe storage practices lead to countless suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries by individuals who should not have access to a firearm. This includes children, prohibited persons with a history of violence, and family members who may be suicidal or temporarily in crisis." "Leaving firearms unsecured also fuels theft—a primary avenue in which firearms are diverted into the illegal market and used in crime. There are an estimated 250,000 firearm theft incidents each year resulting in about 380,000 firearms stolen annually. In recent years, as more Americans carry firearms in public, theft from cars has skyrocketed. Firearms stolen from cars now make up the majority of thefts. In fact, one analysis of crime data reported to the FBI found that on average, at least one firearm is reported stolen from a car every 15 minutes." "Carrying firearms in public also increases the risk for violence by escalating minor arguments and increasing the chances that a confrontation will become lethal. Research has found that even the mere presence of a firearm increases aggressive thoughts and actions." "Some believe that carrying a firearm will act as a deterrent and help prevent conflicts or minimize harm. While there are specific examples where this was true, there are many more cases where firearm carrying escalates conflict and leads to firearm injury or death. In aggregate, research shows firearm carrying increases levels of violent crime." "It’s important for individuals to know the risks of firearm ownership, and the reality that higher levels of firearm ownership and carrying do not reduce violence or enhance public safety."
K D Posted April 30 Posted April 30 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: MSM Drawn to Stories About Women Learning to Shoot Safely April 30, 2024 At the Strong Arms Gun Club in Virginia recently, WTKR news was on hand as approximately 20 women gathered to learn firearm handling and safety from Joel Jones, a local firearms instructor. Amidst rising concerns about public safety, these women, ranging in profession from real estate agents to mothers, are part of a growing demographic turning to firearms for protection. Even as mainstream media tries to play to the negatives of shooting, when it comes to female empowerment and safety, it’s hard to put a negative spin on learning how to safely shoot a gun. And to the paper’s credit, they looked at the movement from a positive view. “Especially with things going on like shootings in stores. You can be grocery shopping and anything can happen, so I just want to be safe and protect my children as well,” explained Raleesha Hinton, a Virginia Beach resident. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/even-mainstream-media-cant-argue-women-learning-to-safely-shoot-is-a-good-story/ . All single women should own and know how to use a firearm. Especially single moms. How else are you going to protect your kids? Call 9-1-1 and wait 2 hrs? You would really be doing your family a disservice 1
LeviF Posted April 30 Posted April 30 The white, non-hispanic firearm homicide death rate in the US is on par with European countries with far fewer guns. 1 1
ChiGoose Posted May 3 Posted May 3 17 hours ago, BillStime said: This is fkd up Well this is certainly weird considering we‘ve been told that the gun show loophole was a myth. 1
Big Blitz Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Ask Palestinians if they think they should turn in their guns. I want to know why I should turn in mine when the Christofacists are coming to take over America and our very lives are at stake. How will we be able to defend ourselves from Goat Man?
Orlando Buffalo Posted May 3 Posted May 3 On 4/30/2024 at 11:39 AM, ChiGoose said: What's that? People need more data about gun ownership and gun deaths? No problem! There's plenty of it because the connection is both true and obvious! From Johns Hopkins: "Overwhelming evidence shows that firearm ownership and access is associated with increased suicide, homicide, unintentional firearm deaths, and injuries." "It has been well-documented that firearm ownership rates are associated with increased firearm-related death rates. Among high-income countries, the United States is an outlier in terms of firearm violence. The U.S. has the highest firearm ownership and highest firearm death rates of 27 high-income countries." "The firearm homicide rate in the U.S. is nearly 25 times higher than other high-income countries and the firearm suicide rate is nearly 10 times that of other high-income countries." "In general, the states with the highest gun death rates tend to be states in the South or Mountain West, with weaker gun laws and higher levels of gun ownership, while gun death rates are lower in the Northeast, where gun violence prevention laws are stronger." "Over four decades of public health research consistently finds that firearm ownership increases the risk of firearm homicide, suicide, and unintentional injury. Nevertheless, more than 6 in 10 Americans believe that a firearm in the home makes the family safer—a figure that has nearly doubled since 2000.13 This increase in perceived safety is reflected in shifting reasons for firearm ownership. In a 2023 Pew Research survey, more than two-thirds (71%) of firearm owners cited protection as a major reason for ownership.14 This represents a notable increase from the mid-1990s, when the majority of American firearm owners cited recreation as their primary reason for ownership and fewer than half owned firearms primarily for protection." "Research runs counter to these changing public perceptions of firearms providing safety. It shows that firearm ownership puts individuals and their families at higher risk of injury and death. Individuals who choose to own a firearm can mitigate many of the risks associated with ownership by always storing their firearms unloaded and locked in a secure place, and refraining from carrying their firearms in public places. " "Firearm owners can make their homes safer through secure firearm storage practices. Unfortunately, the majority of U.S. firearm owners choose to leave their firearms unlocked, allowing children or persons, who are at risk for violence to self or others, to access them. An estimated 4.6 million children live in households with at least one firearm that is loaded and unlocked. These unsafe storage practices lead to countless suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries by individuals who should not have access to a firearm. This includes children, prohibited persons with a history of violence, and family members who may be suicidal or temporarily in crisis." "Leaving firearms unsecured also fuels theft—a primary avenue in which firearms are diverted into the illegal market and used in crime. There are an estimated 250,000 firearm theft incidents each year resulting in about 380,000 firearms stolen annually. In recent years, as more Americans carry firearms in public, theft from cars has skyrocketed. Firearms stolen from cars now make up the majority of thefts. In fact, one analysis of crime data reported to the FBI found that on average, at least one firearm is reported stolen from a car every 15 minutes." "Carrying firearms in public also increases the risk for violence by escalating minor arguments and increasing the chances that a confrontation will become lethal. Research has found that even the mere presence of a firearm increases aggressive thoughts and actions." "Some believe that carrying a firearm will act as a deterrent and help prevent conflicts or minimize harm. While there are specific examples where this was true, there are many more cases where firearm carrying escalates conflict and leads to firearm injury or death. In aggregate, research shows firearm carrying increases levels of violent crime." "It’s important for individuals to know the risks of firearm ownership, and the reality that higher levels of firearm ownership and carrying do not reduce violence or enhance public safety." I believe we already had the murder vs suicide discussion, but regardless of your personal experience, acting as if the two events are comparable is improper. Suicides are a tragedy that need to be dealt with differently. As for the correlation, the highest murder rate in the civilized world is in Brazil and guns are not nearly as plentiful. It is easy to find correlations, but simply removing legality of guns will not stop evil.
ChiGoose Posted May 3 Posted May 3 (edited) 18-year-old pizza delivery driver shot at 7 times after driveway mix-up “ASHLAND CITY, Tenn. (WTVF) - An 18-year-old pizza delivery driver in Tennessee was shot at multiple times while on the job after he accidentally parked in the wrong driveway. Caiden Wheeler, an 18-year-old high school student, is still processing what happened to him Monday night in Ashland City. The Domino’s employee was on his first and only delivery of the night when he was shot at seven times after parking in the wrong driveway.” ”On the quiet, residential North Poole Street, most of the houses are only a few feet from each other. Wheeler accidentally parked at 114B instead of 118, which is next door. He dropped the pizza off at the correct house and got back in his truck. Police say that’s when 32-year-old Ryan Babcock used a handgun to shoot the driver-side below the gas tank, the wheel on the driver-side and right above the driver-side window. Police recovered seven shell casings at the scene.“ Edited May 3 by ChiGoose
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