Tommy Callahan Posted April 11 Posted April 11 Lol at the morons eating up the Biden PR. The gun show loophole was always about private sales that don't have backgrounds. This is redundant to the laws we already have on the books. 1 1
Gregg Posted April 11 Posted April 11 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This will stop criminals how? You know they don't follow the rules or give a crap about the law. 2
daz28 Posted April 11 Posted April 11 9 minutes ago, Gregg said: This will stop criminals how? You know they don't follow the rules or give a crap about the law. Stiff penalties for those carrying stolen guns, and those who are careless with securing their weapons. The only problem with this is that we incarcerate tons of people already, and I'm not sure it's making a difference. Some kind of culture change may be necessary. How to accomplish that is anyone's guess.
K D Posted April 11 Posted April 11 4 hours ago, BillStime said: Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yes I see lots of criminals at the gun shows lol. It's usually fat old guys like you
B-Man Posted April 12 Posted April 12 Must be an election coming. DICTATOR-IN-CHIEF: Biden: ‘Absolutely’ More ‘Executive Action’ Gun Control Measures Coming. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-absolutely-more-executive-action-gun-control-measures-coming/ . 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 13 Posted April 13 Right now Sydney is happy a good guy with a gun was able to stop the dude with a knife. Anyone who focuses on the tool and not the person is too dumb for this conversation. 3
K D Posted April 13 Posted April 13 2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: Right now Sydney is happy a good guy with a gun was able to stop the dude with a knife. Anyone who focuses on the tool and not the person is too dumb for this conversation. If this happened in a mall in Texas is there 6 victims? Not likely 1
boyst Posted April 19 Posted April 19 https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/trans-teen-allegedly-plotted-school-shootings-to-become-famous/ It's clearly a gun problem. not a mental health problem. duh. 2
ChiGoose Posted April 23 Posted April 23 (edited) On 4/13/2024 at 1:31 PM, KDIGGZ said: If this happened in a mall in Texas is there 6 victims? Not likely Agreed. It’d be a hell of a lot more. Edited April 23 by ChiGoose 1
K D Posted April 23 Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Agreed. It’d be a hell of a lot more. There would be 1 and he would be going to the morgue and not prison. But they would never release the manifesto about how he's a he-she who identifies as a unicorn and it's all Trump's fault 1
ChiGoose Posted April 23 Posted April 23 11 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: There would be 1 and he would be going to the morgue and not prison. But they would never release the manifesto about how he's a he-she who identifies as a unicorn and it's all Trump's fault Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas: 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns: self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings. More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9% States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down. 1
K D Posted April 23 Posted April 23 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas: 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns: self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings. More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9% States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down. They could also get a car and run people over or do a suicide bombing. What's your point? That you can use a gun to kill a lot of people? I would argue that there are much easier ways. So let's ban cars right? Makes a lot of sense. There used to not be a lot of mass casualty events in this country as well. But meanwhile there was always guns. So what changed? 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 23 Posted April 23 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Keeping in mind that the reason the Australian stabbing made international news is because of how rare mass killings are there, here's just some examples of how it goes when someone tries a mass killing in Texas: 2017: 26 year old Air Force vet opened fire at a church, killing 26 people 2017: 32 year old man opens fire at a football watch party, killing 8 2018: 17 year old killed 10 people at a high school near Huston 2019: 36 year old started randomly shooting people between Midland and Odessa, killing 7 2019: 21 year old opened fire at a Walmart, killing 22 2022: 18 year old kills 21 at Uvalde Elementary School 2023: Gunman kills 8 in mall shooting Also, keep in mind that even in a country with so many guns: self-defense gun use occurs in only 1% of shootings. More guns equals more gun homicides: for every 1% increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9% States with higher rates of gun ownership have disproportionately large numbers of firearm related homicides So yeah, if someone wanted to kill a bunch of people in Texas, they'd just get a gun and mow people down. So you volunteering to go door to door in gangland? Forget the state. That's macro, go micro to see the patterns. Ie, counties with gun violence at the highest levels, don't allow legal ownership or make it almost impossible. go by county or district if you really give a rats about the issue. but you guys will spend all day parroting outliers and meta data.
ChiGoose Posted April 23 Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: They could also get a car and run people over or do a suicide bombing. What's your point? That you can use a gun to kill a lot of people? I would argue that there are much easier ways. So let's ban cars right? Makes a lot of sense. There used to not be a lot of mass casualty events in this country as well. But meanwhile there was always guns. So what changed? I don't think there's a single reason why firearm deaths are increasing. It's probably a confluence of multiple factors. However, we do know ways to reduce them: Child-access prevention laws reduce total firearm self-injuries (including suicides) among young people Child-access prevention laws reduce firearm homicides or firearm assault injuries among young people Child-access prevention laws reduce unintentional firearm injuries and deaths among children Stand Your Ground laws *increase* total homicide rates, including firearm homicide rates Shall-issue concealed carry laws increase firearm homicides Dealer background checks and universal background checks reduce homicides Minimum age of purchase laws reduce firearm suicides Waiting periods reduce rates of firearm suicide and total homicide Gun possession prohibitions associated with domestic violence may reduce intimate partner homicides 5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: So you volunteering to go door to door in gangland? Forget the state. That's macro, go micro to see the patterns. Ie, counties with gun violence at the highest levels, don't allow legal ownership or make it almost impossible. go by county or district if you really give a rats about the issue. but you guys will spend all day parroting outliers and meta data. If you want to go micro, you might learn that rural countries have a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than most urban counties. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 23 Posted April 23 Now do firearm violence or crime. Did you cut and paste that directly from Bloomberg's site?
K D Posted April 23 Posted April 23 43 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I don't think there's a single reason why firearm deaths are increasing. It's probably a confluence of multiple factors. However, we do know ways to reduce them: Child-access prevention laws reduce total firearm self-injuries (including suicides) among young people Child-access prevention laws reduce firearm homicides or firearm assault injuries among young people Child-access prevention laws reduce unintentional firearm injuries and deaths among children Stand Your Ground laws *increase* total homicide rates, including firearm homicide rates Shall-issue concealed carry laws increase firearm homicides Dealer background checks and universal background checks reduce homicides Minimum age of purchase laws reduce firearm suicides Waiting periods reduce rates of firearm suicide and total homicide Gun possession prohibitions associated with domestic violence may reduce intimate partner homicides If you want to go micro, you might learn that rural countries have a 37% higher rate of firearm deaths than most urban counties. I would be for a lot of common sense laws. The reason others are not is a distrust in the government where if you give an inch they take a mile. Look at race or gay rights issues. When I was a kid it was let's make it so everyone is equal. Now it's all about how we aren't equal so they need equity. If we give in to tough gun laws then next will be gun confiscations. I wish we could all get along and do the right things but there is big divide between pro and anti gun groups. When the president says he's going to take your guns then no wonder people have dug their heels in 1
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