What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

The source is in the image you dolt.

LMAO - the FBI does NOT put out charts like that you idiot.

 

If they had GOOGLE image would have found it.

 

You are not bright 

[LeviF]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

LMAO - the FBI does NOT put out charts like that you idiot.

 

If they had GOOGLE image would have found it.

 

You are not bright 

 

Not anymore they don't. Thanks, Obama. 

 

Literally - Obama killed a significant amount of the funding for the study of crime at the federal level. I wonder why.

 

No, that image is not put out by the FBI. It's made by calculating rates per 100,000 based on 2020 census numbers and 2021 NIBRS homicide data. Both public datasets available for your review.

 

Math is hard, let me know if you need some extra time after class.

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Not anymore they don't. Thanks, Obama. 

 

Literally - Obama killed a significant amount of the funding for the study of crime at the federal level. I wonder why.

 

No, that image is not put out by the FBI. It's made by calculating rates per 100,000 based on 2020 census numbers and 2021 NIBRS homicide data. Both public datasets available for your review.

 

Math is hard, let me know if you need some extra time after class.

 

JFC - your true colors always shine man.

 

1) Obama hasn’t been POTUS in seven years. 
 

2) If Obama cut spending on the study of crime (which is a hoax) - why the F didn’t Jesus Trump put it back in the budget?

 

3) There are NO sources associated with your chart that you stole from some idiot on Twitter.

 

 

 

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

JFC - your true colors always shine man.

 

1) Obama hasn’t been POTUS in seven years. 
 

2) If Obama cut spending on the study of crime (which is a hoax) - why the F didn’t Jesus Trump put it back in the budget?

 

3) There are NO sources associated with your chart that you stole from some idiot on Twitter.

 

 

 

Actually I stole it from here: https://datahazard.substack.com/p/american-murder

 

And my complaints about Trump are well documented. I think I summarized his approach to criminal justice issues as “Kardashian admin,” a reference to his penchant for pardoning criminals because Kim Kardashian took them up as a cause. 

[Kemp]

19 hours ago, LeviF said:

Don’t worry @Kemp I did your homework for you 

 

 

I notice you ignored the chart I posted that directly addresses the title of this thread.

 

It's not surprising. 

[aristocrat]

8 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

JFC - your true colors always shine man.

 

1) Obama hasn’t been POTUS in seven years. 
 

2) If Obama cut spending on the study of crime (which is a hoax) - why the F didn’t Jesus Trump put it back in the budget?

 

3) There are NO sources associated with your chart that you stole from some idiot on Twitter.

 

 

 

Do you disagree with the stats? If you think logically the stats make sense. Why are you so upset about the stats? It’s just facts right?

[LeviF]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

I notice you ignored the chart I posted that directly addresses the title of this thread.

 

It's not surprising. 

I ignored it because I’ve already addressed your r*tard*d chart multiple times to point out the actual problem with the US regarding gun deaths, once in this very thread. 
 

 

On 5/1/2023 at 9:40 AM, LeviF said:

 

BS?

 

 

Gun homicide death rate for white, non-hispanic is 2.1 per 100,000. On par with the rates for Nebraska, Colorado, and Connecticut. Still much larger than the say the European Union as a whole, but with more guns than people in the USA. Does the presence of guns mean more deaths? Absolutely. Is the bulk of the gap between the US and other high income countries attributable to guns only? Clearly not.

 

Consider these two statements and how you literally can't do the second without considering the implications of the first.

 

What will deter people from joining gangs if they can't comprehend the consequences of their actions to begin with?

 

On 4/11/2023 at 9:17 AM, LeviF said:

 

Well if anyone was curious, when you run the data in an honest way, and you start sorting by *REDACTED*, you get results that look like this:

 

 

Even including suicide this dataset has less than half the firearm death rate of the US at large over the same amount of time.

 

Meanwhile this next dataset, well:

 

 

The rate here is is about 2/3rds HIGHER than the overall national rate.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

 

Dems promote this by only making gun laws that affect owners. 

 

Shoot.  In my.  Even if she was armed , no castle doctrine 

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

Dems promote this by only making gun laws that affect owners. 

 

Shoot.  In my.  Even if she was armed , no castle doctrine 

Yeah let’s make sure guns stay in the hands of normal and stable people who shoot 8 year olds in the head while they’re looking at Christmas lights

 

https://www.wivb.com/news/national/oklahoma-8-year-old-shot-in-head-while-looking-at-christmas-lights-mom-says/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

[Tommy Callahan]

21 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yeah let’s make sure guns stay in the hands of normal and stable people who shoot 8 year olds in the head while they’re looking at Christmas lights

 

https://www.wivb.com/news/national/oklahoma-8-year-old-shot-in-head-while-looking-at-christmas-lights-mom-says/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

 

 

why try to deflect to an outlier.  And nothing to do with my comment.  

 

IF that lady was armed, it's the great equalizer.

 

problem is that's about impossible in NY.

 

and the castle doctrine is so effed one has to try to escape their home before defending it or its occupants.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[Roundybout]

38 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

why try to deflect to an outlier.  And nothing to do with my comment.  

 

IF that lady was armed, it's the great equalizer.

 

problem is that's about impossible in NY.

 

and the castle doctrine is so effed one has to try to escape their home before defending it or its occupants.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your “point” is an outlier. My opinion is that most Americans are too stupid/unstable to own guns. Hell, most are too stupid/unstable to drive a car. 

[LeviF]

4 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Your “point” is an outlier. My opinion is that most Americans are too stupid/unstable to own guns. Hell, most are too stupid/unstable to drive a car. 

What do you think the average IQ is in the US? What’s the cutoff for being too stupid to drive a car or own a gun? Triple digits? 85? 115? 

[Roundybout]

8 minutes ago, LeviF said:

What do you think the average IQ is in the US? What’s the cutoff for being too stupid to drive a car or own a gun? Triple digits? 85? 115? 

Let’s start with not shooting small children because you’re a paranoid #######, is that a decent bar?

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

Let’s start with not shooting small children because you’re a paranoid #######, is that a decent bar?

Well most Americans can step over that bar, so by your own assessment I’d say no. 

[B-Man]

 

 

The Gun Debate is Increasingly Academic. 

 

“The best part about the gun debate is that it’s increasingly just academic. Our victory is assured.

 

Put aside Bruen, or Heller, or McDonald, or any of the other gun rights victories in courts. Put aside the massive increases in gun ownership, in every demographic.”

 

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/cohen-the-gun-debate-is-increasingly-academic/

 

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[Kemp]

6 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

 

Dems promote this by only making gun laws that affect owners. 

 

Shoot.  In my.  Even if she was armed , no castle doctrine 

 

Odd choice.

Staten Island is controlled by Republicans.

[B-Man]

 

 

It’s Almost as if Giffords’ Standard for ‘Gun Safety’ Has Nothing to Do With Actually Keeping People Safe

By Dan Zimmerman

 

 

How do you clowns seriously argue that a state like Idaho, with its 2022 homicide rate of 2.0 per 100,000 people, less than half of what California has, is “failing at protecting [its] communities”? Seems like it is doing a pretty damn good job at keeping people safe overall.

 

It kinda seems like your standard for “safety” is “do what we say”, not the actual results. That’s why you give violent hellholes like Illinois and Maryland high grades despite their horrid results. They didn’t actually solve anything, but they pass what you demand!

 

— Kostas Moros

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/its-almost-as-if-giffords-standard-for-gun-safety-has-nothing-to-do-with-actually-keeping-people-safe/

[Roundybout]

On 12/19/2023 at 1:50 PM, LeviF said:

Well most Americans can step over that bar, so by your own assessment I’d say no. 

Evidentially not, as this keeps happening. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

On 12/19/2023 at 1:48 PM, Roundybout said:

Let’s start with not shooting small children because you’re a paranoid #######, is that a decent bar?

If that is the entire bar then simply not allowing Dems to own guns would solve it quickly, since basically everyone that has gun down children indiscriminately was a liberal 

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

If that is the entire bar then simply not allowing Dems to own guns would solve it quickly, since basically everyone that has gun down children indiscriminately was a liberal 

(citation needed)