What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ChiGoose]

13 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You tell me. 

 

What do the studies say in regards to who is committing crime based off population? ie, half the murders in America are done by 13% of the population. 

I would say that reaching the conclusion that black people are inherently more violent requires ignoring history and science. 
 

But if it’s convenient to your argument, I guess you can believe whatever you want. 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Explain

Huge infringements on the second. that would only impact legal citizens.

 

 

Just now, ChiGoose said:

I would say that reaching the conclusion that black people are inherently more violent requires ignoring history and science. 
 

But if it’s convenient to your argument, I guess you can believe whatever you want. 

can you articulate the history and science you are referencing.  cause last time you all said trust the science, it meant trust the CDC/Industry.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

I would say that reaching the conclusion that black people are inherently more violent requires ignoring history and science. 
 

But if it’s convenient to your argument, I guess you can believe whatever you want. 

 

Not ignoring anything. I'm just going to show you the numbers so we can see the black and white (facts) of your question (no pun intended). And I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying there is a clear correlation to race and crime. Why makes no difference to statistics: 

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Not ignoring anything. I'm just going to show you the numbers so we can see the black and white (facts) of your question (no pun intended). And I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying there is a clear correlation to race and crime. Why makes no difference to statistics: 

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

 

 

Give her a few. she is probably trying hard to find someone Elses opinion that argues for emotions over data.

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Not ignoring anything. I'm just going to show you the numbers so we can see the black and white (facts) of your question (no pun intended). And I'm not making an argument. I'm just saying there is a clear correlation to race and crime. Why makes no difference to statistics: 

 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

 

 

But “why” is very important to fixing it. Which is why I was asking what you believed to be the cause.

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

But “why” is very important to fixing it. Which is why I was asking what you believed to be the cause.

 

Poverty. Single parent homes. No parent homes. 

 

There is also a correlation to when SNAP/Welfare benefits were enacted then were heavily pushed in the 1960's and single parent homes in the black community. The black community used to have lower divorce rate than any other race in America until the 1960's. Then it skyrocketed. Crime also skyrocketed in those communities. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

I'm sorry you're so easily programmed. 

 

Can you explain how they in any way believed in socialism, the notion that workers should run the government and workplaces?

 

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934."

 

you silly fool… what do you think socialist leaders are?

 

Quote

Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. 

You must have missed this part. 
 

Human socialism is an elite ruling class lives by a different set of rules and standards and everyone else is the same. 
 

name one socialist organization in history where the leaders lived the same as the rank and file.

 

no children’s fantasy books please.

 

 

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The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

 

The deliberate effort to walk back the socialist roots of the Nazi party comes from the same fools who wish to see authoritarian history repeat. 
 

Here’s another socialist for you

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/

 

and another one. 
 

https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/the-met-gala-hypocrisy-of-class-warrior-chi-osse/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Edited May 8, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Joe Ferguson forever]

58 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

you silly fool… what do you think socialist leaders are?

 

You must have missed this part. 
 

Human socialism is an elite ruling class lives by a different set of rules and standards and everyone else is the same. 
 

name one socialist organization in history where the leaders lived the same as the rank and file.

 

no children’s fantasy books please.

 

 

 

The deliberate effort to walk back the socialist roots of the Nazi party comes from the same fools who wish to see authoritarian history repeat. 
 

Here’s another socialist for you

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/

 

and another one. 
 

https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/the-met-gala-hypocrisy-of-class-warrior-chi-osse/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

you can place any "ists" you want on nazis.  They were murderous scum and the neo nazis are as well.  The philosophy was "we are the superior race, f u if you're not us or die if you're not us"...sound familiar?  defending nazis...wow.  That says it all...

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you can place any "ists" you want on nazis.  They were murderous scum and the neo nazis are as well.  The philosophy was "we are the superior race, f u if you're not us or die if you're not us"...sound familiar?  defending nazis...wow.  That says it all...

Not defending just explaining that all you socialists are a few short years away from becoming your own version of the same…

 

it’s already happening. You uphold the government as your spiritual and moral leader, just like subservient party members in 30’s Germany 

By the way you agreed all Democrats should surrender their guns now right? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Not defending just explaining that all you socialists are a few short years away from becoming your own version of the same…

 

it’s already happening. You uphold the government as your spiritual and moral leader, just like subservient party members in 30’s Germany 

By the way you agreed all Democrats should surrender their guns now right? 

I defend the gov't as my ticket to continued prosperity, security and freedom.  You seem to rail against it so that you can get yours in whatever manner it takes....play by the f'in rules and win.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I defend the gov't as my ticket to continued prosperity, security and freedom. 

Direct quote from Mein Kampf… you’re closer that I thought. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Direct quote from Mein Kampf… you’re closer that I thought. 

link pls...should be quick as you apparently know it well.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

link pls

It’s on Amazon I’m sure. You should read it. As a good socialist you might like it. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s on Amazon I’m sure. You should read it. As a good socialist you might like it. 

Kick save and a beauty...not.  I don't want it banned so that history doesn't repeat but I'd never touch it.  Bad Karma.  Very bad, possibly the worst.  Give me the cliff note re my post.  Chipping away the veneer...I like maple personally but hardwoods are good too.  And many here insist neo nazis are rare.  Go figure.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

Kick save and a beauty...not.  I don't want it banned so that history doesn't repeat but I'd never touch it.  Bad Karma.  Very bad, possibly the worst.  Give me the cliff note re my post.  Chipping away the veneer...I like maple personally but hardwoods are good too.  And many here insist neo nazis are rare.  Go figure.

now Maple isn’t a hardwood? 🙄

 

😂 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

32 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

that is a manner of opinion. The 2A doesn't mention ammunition 

 

would much rather talk about this then the veiled racist "single parent homes" conversation BTW

 

 

 

The Second Amendment understood that every type of firearm and ammunition available was protected by the guarantee, and that the Founders intended the People to have unfettered access to even military weapons, so the People would have equal footing in resistance to military enforcement of laws passed by abuse of government power.

 

George Washington asserted this same right in a speech he gave to Congress in 1790, "A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government..."

 

 

37 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

that is a manner of opinion. The 2A doesn't mention ammunition 

 

would much rather talk about this then the veiled racist "single parent homes" conversation BTW

 

 

 

How are facts racist? Are you going to be one of those people who think, if a stat is awful in regards to a race... it's just racist? Seriously? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

To the first part, you just shared more opinions on the issue. It is fine but it is not a rebuttal to my point that saying the 2nd Amendment reaches to ammunition is opinion. 

 

to the last part, I refuse to engage in the racist back & forth that takes hold after these shootings but I don't believe any facts were shared about the upbringing of the recent mass murderers and if they grew up in a single parent home or not

 

I was answering why I think there's been an increase of gun violence. I'm talking the correlation of facts. That's not racist my man. (and I didn't say anything about that in regards to the recent mass shooters)

[Roundybout]

 

Baby steps. Like, really tiny baby steps. But progress nonetheless. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

now Maple isn’t a hardwood? 🙄

 

😂

 

so sue me.  I like it. It's nice and warm.  unlike MAGA's

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

that is a manner of opinion. The 2A doesn't mention ammunition 

 

would much rather talk about this then the veiled racist "single parent homes" conversation BTW

 

 

It’s a fact Across ALL DEMOGRAPHICS.