What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:25 AM, ChiGoose said:

You ask a lot of questions but don’t try to answer them yourself, why?

 

In any event, Switzerland has strict licensing requirements, about 25% of the guns are for military or police purposes, the laws are designed to prevent violent people from obtaining a gun, and it’s very difficult to get a permit to carry your gun so most are left at home. 
 

In addition to that, despite the stricter gun laws than we have here, Switzerland still has a higher rate of gun deaths than most European countries. Because, as you should know by now, more guns means more gun deaths. 
 

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

 

 

Switzerland is about 95% white

United States is around 57% white

 

Say what you want and the truth might suck... but minorities take part in more crime.  

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Switzerland is about 95% white

United States is around 57% white

 

Say what you want and the truth might suck... but minorities take part in more crime.  

It’s kind of incredible how quick people on this board are to blame black people for things. 
 

Can’t be poverty. Can’t be centuries of discrimination and preventing minorities from building wealth. Couldn’t be disinvestment in minority neighborhoods. 
 

Nope. It’s solely because we have black people, huh?

 

Do you just want to come out and say black people are inferior? Seems like you might find some support here. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ChiGoose

[aristocrat]

34 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

“You cannot be this dumb” coming from the guy who thinks Nazis were socialists lol

Since when do Nazis have to be white? 
 

 

Also no one cares about “illegals,” your fear mongering about the border is so 2016. Let them come. 

Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks wasn’t there just for comic relief!

hitler would have put this guy in the gas chamber 

[B-Man]

 

 

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[ArdmoreRyno]

19 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

yes, why?  for what purpose do they need a gun that does dime in, cash register out?

 

So you're wanting to ban (just a guess) 300,000,000 of the 400,000,000 firearms in America? Every Ruger 10/22, every Glock 17, every 1911? How exactly are you going to do that? 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So you're wanting to ban (just a guess) 300,000,000 of the 400,000,000 firearms in America? Every Ruger 10/22, every Glock 17, every 1911? How exactly are you going to do that? 

It would like the police it wants to defund to round them up.  Because outside door to door sweeps, there would be no way to get them all.  or even a majority. 

 

DETROIT put on a gun buy back a few weeks ago.  Media ran with how it collected over 400 guns.  if you google estimated guns in the Detroit area you get anywhere from 10K to 50K.  

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So you're wanting to ban (just a guess) 300,000,000 of the 400,000,000 firearms in America? Every Ruger 10/22, every Glock 17, every 1911? How exactly are you going to do that? 

less is more..for what purpose does anyone need a gun that goes in like a dime and out like a cash register (description courtesy of a law enforcement friend).

[ArdmoreRyno]

22 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

It’s kind of incredible how quick people on this board are to blame black people for things. 
 

Can’t be poverty. Can’t be centuries of discrimination and preventing minorities from building wealth. Couldn’t be disinvestment in minority neighborhoods. 
 

Nope. It’s solely because we have black people, huh?

 

Do you just want to come out and say black people are inferior? Seems like you might find some support here. 

 

Most European countries banned slavery only a few decades before we did in the United States. In fact, countries like Switzerland don't have any laws banning slavery today and that country played a HUGE role in the slave trade. 

 

I'm not denying poverty isn't a massive issue and what has lead to increased crime. I actually think it's one of the biggest reasons we see the violence we see. 

 

But my point is, which is undeniable, the more 'white' the country is... the less crime. Maybe it's why Switzerland has less gun deaths? 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

less is more..for what purpose does anyone need a gun that goes in like a dime and out like a cash register (description courtesy of a law enforcement friend).

I think you used your friends quote out of context.  BTW. LAW enforcement and Ex Law enforcement is excluded from any gun laws.  just saying.  easy to point fingers while being armed any time, any place without ever needing a permit.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

less is more..for what purpose does anyone need a gun that goes in like a dime and out like a cash register (description courtesy of a law enforcement friend).

 

Didn't answer the question. 

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Most European countries banned slavery only a few decades before we did in the United States. In fact, countries like Switzerland don't have any laws banning slavery today and that country played a HUGE role in the slave trade. 

 

I'm not denying poverty isn't a massive issue and what has lead to increased crime. I actually think it's one of the biggest reasons we see the violence we see. 

 

But my point is, which is undeniable, the more 'white' the country is... the less crime. Maybe it's why Switzerland has less gun deaths? 

Do you think black people are inherently more violent than white people?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

I think you used your friends quote out of context.  BTW. LAW enforcement and Ex Law enforcement is excluded from any gun laws.  just saying.  easy to point fingers while being armed any time, any place without ever needing a permit.

 

 

 

 

Nope.  Mass shootings were the context for the quote.  

[Tiberius]

[Joe Ferguson forever]

15 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Didn't answer the question. 

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

less, meaning fewer semi automatics, are more.  Got it?  I certainly don't want to see a civil war and certainly won't be starting one.  That's up to the MAGA's

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ArdmoreRyno]

15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Do you think black people are inherently more violent than white people?

 

You tell me. 

 

What do the studies say in regards to who is committing crime based off population? ie, half the murders in America are done by 13% of the population. 

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

less, meaning fewer semi automatics, are more.  Got it?

 

I just want you to answer the questions. You're avoiding both my questions. I'll post them again.

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ArdmoreRyno

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You tell me. 

 

What do the studies say in regards to who is committing crime based off population? ie, half the murders in America are done by 13% of the population. 

 

I just want you to answer the questions. You're avoiding both my questions. I'll post them again.

 

1. You realize MOST firearms in America are semi-auto, which you want to see banned. 

2. How are you go about rounding up hundreds of millions of legal firearms from Americans? 

BONUS QUESTION: You're wanting to see Civil War II in the Untied States? 

what about less do you not understand?  stopping their sale will result in less.. also, making the sale of ammo for them illegal would result in less.   I directly answered the question of civil war.  That's up to the people who keep threatening it, not me.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

what about less do you not understand?  stopping their sale will result in less..  I directly answered the question of civil war.  That's up to the people who keep threatening it, not me.

Still waiting. 

 

And when they keep happening because there is countless ones in criminals' hands already?  

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

what about less do you not understand?  stopping their sale will result in less.. also, making the sale of ammo for them illegal would result in less.   I directly answered the question of civil war.  That's up to the people who keep threatening it, not me.

 

So we would still have 400,000,000 firearms in the United States. You think that would make a difference, stopping production now. And banning ammo? It falls under the 2A (and people can roll their own.... I do). 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So we would still have 400,000,000 firearms in the United States. You think that would make a difference, stopping production now. And banning ammo? It falls under the 2A (and people can roll their own.... I do). 

provides a good take on what their actual goal is.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, Chris farley said:

provides a good take on what their actual goal is.

 

 

 

Explain