What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

What's your proposal for a mental red flag law

Oh, I’m not the one saying that our gun violence is a result of mental illness. That’s only a small part of it. The real problem is the easy access to guns. 
 

If you believe it’s just because of the mentally ill, what do YOU propose to do about it?

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

really.  Which side wants Universal Healthcare?

What are you willing to cut to shift funds to UH? 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

So here’s a fun fact: Illinois does not enforce the law in Indiana. If Indiana has no problem with sales of guns that are legal at the time later being used in crimes outside of the state, there isn’t an ton Illinois can do.

 

 

 

 

Fun fact.  Texas and the U.S. do not enforce drug or gun policy in Mexico. 
 

We don’t even enforce border policies with Mexico.  Just come on in.  And vote early and often.  

 

[Pokebball]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

Oh, I’m not the one saying that our gun violence is a result of mental illness. That’s only a small part of it. The real problem is the easy access to guns. 
 

If you believe it’s just because of the mentally ill, what do YOU propose to do about it?

I'd like to shift govt expenditures at both the federal and state level to address mental health. From what? Oh, let me count the ways. Federal Dept of Education for starters. You with me?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

What are you willing to cut to shift funds to UH? 

Totally different question.  I'm replying to your partisan incorrect point on mental health.  But sure, I'd cut all the middle men from healthcare and if need be, raise taxes.

[Pokebball]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

Totally different question.  I'm replying to your partisan incorrect point on mental health.  But sure, I'd cut all the middle men from healthcare and if need be, raise taxes.

I said shift. What's your priority. This isn't a game.

[ChiGoose]

7 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I'd like to shift govt expenditures at both the federal and state level to address mental health. From what? Oh, let me count the ways. Federal Dept of Education for starters. You with me?

You seem to be under the mistaken  impression that I believe that myth that our gun violence is driven by mental illness.
 

It’s not. It’s the ease of access to guns.  

[BillStime]

Is Megyn politicking for Tuckers time slot? 
 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

Finally reporting on the mass shootings from last week and the guy found after the manhunt. 

 

https://cis.org/Bensman/Texas-Massacre-Fugitive-Had-Death-Cult-Shrine-Suggesting-Criminal-Underworld-Involvement

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Given that the majority of the country supports some kind of gun control, at minimum, we shouldn’t have any issues crafting some policy. 

Let’s hear it… still waiting for those common sense gun law proposals that address the majority of shootings in the country. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

You seem to be under the mistaken  impression that I believe that myth that our gun violence is driven by mental illness.
 

It’s not. It’s the ease of access to guns.  

And all the ideas the left talking of doesnt do anything .  Ban assault riffles?  Ok.  Focus on the outlier and really doesn't do anything. 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I said shift. What's your priority. This isn't a game.

my priority is universal health care.  It can be funded.  It is in almost every other 1st world nation...

[Big Blitz]

Hahaha

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

And all the ideas the left talking of doesnt do anything .  Ban assault riffles?  Ok.  Focus on the outlier and really doesn't do anything. 

 

 

Banning assault rifles will do little to curb the violence. 
 

But it’s still better than the GOP plan to increase gun deaths. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Let’s hear it… still waiting for those common sense gun law proposals that address the majority of shootings in the country. 

why do they necessarily need to address the majority.  If a law stopped any mass shootings wouldn't that be good?  How many stopped are enough?

[Tommy Callahan]

6 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

So here’s a fun fact: Illinois does not enforce the law in Indiana. If Indiana has no problem with sales of guns that are legal at the time later being used in crimes outside of the state, there isn’t an ton Illinois can do.

 

I agree we should focus far more on handguns. But the GOP doesn’t actually care about people being killed by guns and the Dems are mostly activated by mass shootings which disproportionately involve long guns. 
 

There’s no panacea that will fix this. No single policy that will stop these shootings. But by enacting a variety of measures, you can start to reduce the deaths.

 

Or you can just oppose any action, propose nothing and be totally ok with kids getting their faces blown off.

 

Whatever floats your boat, buddy. 

 

 

Like.  Cause all I hear is either repeal the second, ban ar 15, or some crazy crap about insurance and social media history .  Nothing concrete.

 

But like I said.  People love to talk other countries bans.  But they all have permit systems and huge penalties for not being licensed. 

 

 

3 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Banning assault rifles will do little to curb the violence. 
 

But it’s still better than the GOP plan to increase gun deaths. 

It won't do anything but be pr.  Where did this mass shooter get his?  The other one in Texas?   Cause that will just be the new narrative as they won't attempt legal buys like some have. 

 

Still blows my mind we have half a million nicks check denials. Never read about the follow up 

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

why do they necessarily need to address the majority.  If a law stopped any mass shootings wouldn't that be good?  How many stopped are enough?

Where are the common sense gun laws?  Like details?  

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

why do they necessarily need to address the majority.  If a law stopped any mass shootings wouldn't that be good?  How many stopped are enough?

The majority of mass shootings by a long shot are with handguns. 

Sure. Do it.  Pr.  Wouldn't of done anything about this one, the last one or the majority in cities 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Chris farley

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Given that the majority of the country supports some kind of gun control, at minimum, we shouldn’t have any issues crafting some policy. 

Yes, generically speaking, they do.

 

So what’s your answer?   
 

It’s easy to get positive buy in with vague sentiment… much more difficult to make actual substantive change.

 

Theres a reason Dems don’t push “too” hard on gun control … it’s a lot of what you’re doing… vague nonsense… because that polls well. “Do Something!!!” polls well …. Actually taking away law abiding citizens guns… not so much. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Also.  Policing legal system needs to stop assigning resources based off if a civilian was the victim. Or NCS.  Almost giving the bangers free will to shoot at each other. 

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Yes, generically speaking, they do.

 

So what’s your answer?   
 

It’s easy to get positive buy in with vague sentiment… much more difficult to make actual substantive change.

 

Theres a reason Dems don’t push “too” hard on gun control … it’s a lot of what you’re doing… vague nonsense… because that polls well. “Do Something!!!” polls well …. Actually taking away law abiding citizens guns… not so much. 

Up here in NY no da will use the new gun laws as they don't want their names being on the docket that the court strikes down. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Yes but they won’t have weapons that can kill 30 people in five minutes. 

Yawn. We’re still taking your AR-15 away. 

 

Your poll is also a pretty bit outlier per the 538 averages. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

 

Both are about guns. The other guy went off about trans people, AKA the Republicans’ topic of the month. 

A semi long gun and semi short gun fire the same amount.  Just saying   actually even the same as a revolver.  

[BillStime]

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