ChiGoose Posted April 20, 2023 Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Chris farley said: wow, comprehension. you showed a link to an autopsy to promote a conspiracy. I replied that the autopsy wouldn't have the results of that test. And added that, as its been recorded and states in the beginning of the autopsy that only weed was found in his blood. when Kratom is similar to opium. Maybe he shot at the cops because he was high as hell play stupid games, win them cool prizes So either he was a protestor who was wrongly killed because the cops feared the crowd had guns, or he was a nutjob junkie who was still able to get a gun to shoot at cops? Edited April 20, 2023 by ChiGoose 1
Andy1 Posted April 20, 2023 Posted April 20, 2023 11 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Safe automobile ownership requires the owner to have a brain that is rational, clear thinking and of sound judgement 100% of the time. One mistake by the owner and they and the victims lives and families are changed forever. Problem is, people aren’t perfect and the car is always waiting to deliver tragedy. True, BUT cars are a necessity for most of us in society. We take drivers licenses away from people who are too old, frail, mentally unfit to drive. You need to periodically take vision test to prove your ability to operate the vehicle safely. Police are monitoring our operation of autos and finding those who are irresponsible in their use. We are required to have insurance on the car if we injure anyone. You need a key to operate the car. The purpose of cars is not to kill. Guns are made to kill. The gun industry/right wing media is selling a culture of fear to persuade people to buy guns to “ensure their safety”. Many people buy the guns, don’t have a clue on their safe use or storage. When their mental state deteriorates, or the parents aren’t home, the gun is there providing the opportunity for the tragedy to occur. No gun, no tragedy. Now of course the gun lobby says bad person is the cause, but that logic requires people to be perfect, which we all know is not human nature. People get angry, experience rage, become mentally unstable, paranoid, etc., and reach for their gun, not their car for the solution to their problems. To be clear, I’m talking about instances where law abiding people end up in horrible circumstances because of their gun ownership. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 12 hours ago, Andy1 said: True, BUT cars are a necessity for most of us in society. We take drivers licenses away from people who are too old, frail, mentally unfit to drive. You need to periodically take vision test to prove your ability to operate the vehicle safely. Police are monitoring our operation of autos and finding those who are irresponsible in their use. We are required to have insurance on the car if we injure anyone. You need a key to operate the car. The purpose of cars is not to kill. Guns are made to kill. The gun industry/right wing media is selling a culture of fear to persuade people to buy guns to “ensure their safety”. Many people buy the guns, don’t have a clue on their safe use or storage. When their mental state deteriorates, or the parents aren’t home, the gun is there providing the opportunity for the tragedy to occur. No gun, no tragedy. Now of course the gun lobby says bad person is the cause, but that logic requires people to be perfect, which we all know is not human nature. People get angry, experience rage, become mentally unstable, paranoid, etc., and reach for their gun, not their car for the solution to their problems. To be clear, I’m talking about instances where law abiding people end up in horrible circumstances because of their gun ownership. are you advocating for licensed carry? Cause you only need that for a vehicle, if you are driving it on public roads. or a test to use the second? based on this outlier? When the majority of gun crime has nothing to do with seniors or licensed gun owners. The results of both cars and guns are the same, both do kill. WE do nothing to slow vehicles or block cell traffic when distracted and speeding are the leading causes of fatal car deaths. In fact the new EV have insane HP. When the news shows random gun violence, the politicians talking defunding cops, We see the cops come after the crime. And people flock to gun stores to defend themselves. Wanna slow gun ownership, get gun crime under control. 12 hours ago, aristocrat said: did they ever release the manifesto from the nashville terrorist? 1
B-Man Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris farley said: did they ever release the manifesto from the nashville terrorist? No. No they have not.
B-Man Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 See the NYS 'Safety Act' Going Beyond Feel-Good Legislation: The Truth about Gun Control Laws By Jeff Charles The list of things I hate about politics is long and distinguished. But near the top of that list is something I call “feel good legislation.” Feel good legislation refers to laws that don’t serve any purpose other than to make people feel as if the government is doing something to solve a problem. One example would be hate crime laws like the one Congress passed in 2021 ostensibly to address violence against Asians. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that this particular law won’t save a single Asian life. But it sure feels good, doesn’t it? The thing about feel good laws is that, while they make the public get all warm and fuzzy inside, they don’t actually do anything productive. It is the legislative equivalent of cheesecake. Sure it tastes great, but it has little nutritional value. One of the worst forms of cheesecake legislation is related to gun control. Right now, the left is desperately trying to get Americans on board with further restrictions on lawful gun owners by pretending they will be safer if they do so. Unfortunately, the tactic can be quite effective, especially when there is a high-profile mass shooting in the news. This reality emerged during a recent hearing on gun laws at the Texas Capitol. “The hearing, which took place after 3 a.m., may be the only debate on gun control in the Texas Capitol this year, following the deaths of 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde last May,” according to Fox News. “Gun control advocates are frustrated with the lack of action on gun violence, as mass shootings continue to occur across the United States. Republican leaders in Texas have not announced any plans to consider or vote on gun control measures before the session ends next month.” The report notes that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, along with Republicans in the state legislature, are not too keen on the idea of using the Uvalde school shooting to impose new gun laws. One can understand why the families of the victims of the Uvalde shooting and other similar incidents would be looking for answers. To some, the idea of enacting further restrictions on firearms might seem to be a valid strategy. However, despite what Democrats claim, gun control laws are not a viable way to stop mass shootings or other forms of gun violence. Gun control laws typically aim to regulate the purchase, possession, and use of firearms, with the intention of reducing access to guns by individuals who may pose a risk to public safety, such as criminals or those with mental health issues. These laws often involve background checks, waiting periods, and restrictions on certain types of firearms. While these measures may seem logical they do not result in tangible reductions in gun violence or increased safety for the general population. Criminals who are intent on committing acts of gun violence typically do not obtain firearms through legal means. They obtain firearms through illegal channels, such as the black market, theft, or straw purchases (where a person with a clean record purchases a firearm on behalf of someone who cannot legally do so). This means that individuals who are determined to commit gun violence are still able to obtain firearms, regardless of the existence of gun control laws. Another issue is that gun control laws may not adequately address the underlying factors that contribute to gun violence, such as mental health, poverty, social inequality, and systemic issues. Simply restricting access to firearms without addressing these root causes has not prevented gun violence in the long term. It may merely result in individuals finding alternative means to commit violence, such as using other weapons or engaging in other criminal activities. Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that gun control laws may disproportionately impact certain communities, such as minority groups or those in low-income neighborhoods. People living in these areas already face higher levels of crime and violence, and restricting their access to firearms may further hinder their ability to defend themselves. More at the link: https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/04/21/going-beyond-feel-good-legislation-the-truth-about-gun-control-laws-n734465
Andy1 Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 20 hours ago, B-Man said: See the NYS 'Safety Act' Going Beyond Feel-Good Legislation: The Truth about Gun Control Laws By Jeff Charles The list of things I hate about politics is long and distinguished. But near the top of that list is something I call “feel good legislation.” Feel good legislation refers to laws that don’t serve any purpose other than to make people feel as if the government is doing something to solve a problem. One example would be hate crime laws like the one Congress passed in 2021 ostensibly to address violence against Asians. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that this particular law won’t save a single Asian life. But it sure feels good, doesn’t it? The thing about feel good laws is that, while they make the public get all warm and fuzzy inside, they don’t actually do anything productive. It is the legislative equivalent of cheesecake. Sure it tastes great, but it has little nutritional value. One of the worst forms of cheesecake legislation is related to gun control. Right now, the left is desperately trying to get Americans on board with further restrictions on lawful gun owners by pretending they will be safer if they do so. Unfortunately, the tactic can be quite effective, especially when there is a high-profile mass shooting in the news. This reality emerged during a recent hearing on gun laws at the Texas Capitol. “The hearing, which took place after 3 a.m., may be the only debate on gun control in the Texas Capitol this year, following the deaths of 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde last May,” according to Fox News. “Gun control advocates are frustrated with the lack of action on gun violence, as mass shootings continue to occur across the United States. Republican leaders in Texas have not announced any plans to consider or vote on gun control measures before the session ends next month.” The report notes that Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, along with Republicans in the state legislature, are not too keen on the idea of using the Uvalde school shooting to impose new gun laws. One can understand why the families of the victims of the Uvalde shooting and other similar incidents would be looking for answers. To some, the idea of enacting further restrictions on firearms might seem to be a valid strategy. However, despite what Democrats claim, gun control laws are not a viable way to stop mass shootings or other forms of gun violence. Gun control laws typically aim to regulate the purchase, possession, and use of firearms, with the intention of reducing access to guns by individuals who may pose a risk to public safety, such as criminals or those with mental health issues. These laws often involve background checks, waiting periods, and restrictions on certain types of firearms. While these measures may seem logical they do not result in tangible reductions in gun violence or increased safety for the general population. Criminals who are intent on committing acts of gun violence typically do not obtain firearms through legal means. They obtain firearms through illegal channels, such as the black market, theft, or straw purchases (where a person with a clean record purchases a firearm on behalf of someone who cannot legally do so). This means that individuals who are determined to commit gun violence are still able to obtain firearms, regardless of the existence of gun control laws. Another issue is that gun control laws may not adequately address the underlying factors that contribute to gun violence, such as mental health, poverty, social inequality, and systemic issues. Simply restricting access to firearms without addressing these root causes has not prevented gun violence in the long term. It may merely result in individuals finding alternative means to commit violence, such as using other weapons or engaging in other criminal activities. Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that gun control laws may disproportionately impact certain communities, such as minority groups or those in low-income neighborhoods. People living in these areas already face higher levels of crime and violence, and restricting their access to firearms may further hinder their ability to defend themselves. More at the link: https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/04/21/going-beyond-feel-good-legislation-the-truth-about-gun-control-laws-n734465 No laws stop illegal behavior from occurring. They are passed to establish the rules by which civil society operates and to establish the penalties for violation. With a problem as complex as gun violence, there is no one solution. If 10 things can be done which each reduce the incidence by only 5%, then you get progress. The criminals will get an illegal gun argument only applies to criminals who use guns in violence. There are plenty of legally purchased guns used in violence also. 1
Andy1 Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 From a 2023 report by the ATF: The ATF found that 54% of traced crime guns were recovered by law enforcement more than three years after their purchase. Those guns were legally purchased, but were later used in crimes, the report indicated. A huge way those legally purchased firearms get into the hands of criminals is through theft, the ATF said. In five years, there were more than 1 million firearms stolen from private citizens and reported to authorities. Research done in recent years has emphasized the importance of safely storing guns. Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit that advocates for gun control, reports that "households that locked both firearms and ammunition were associated with a 78 percent lower risk of self-inflicted firearm injuries and an 85 percent lower risk of unintentional firearm injuries among children and teens, compared to those that locked neither." Roughly 4.6 million children live in a home with loaded and unlocked firearms, studies have shown. And over 80% of mass shooters at K-12 schools stole guns from family members, according to research funded by the National Institute of Justice (a program of the U.S. Justice Department) that examined mass shootings that took place from 1966 to 2019. Along with the huge bump in gun sales during the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been a subsequent increase in unintentional shootings by children and gunfire on school grounds, according to the Be SMART campaign. The organization, launched to raise awareness on the importance of gun storage, says keeping guns locked, unloaded and away from ammunition can help save children's lives. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1153977949/major-takeaways-from-the-atf-gun-violence-report My takeaway from this is there are a whole lot of irresponsible gun owners just leaving their guns around the home. People are buying guns with no understanding of the responsibility that goes with gun ownership. Safe storage laws would be a good place to start as most responsible gun owners should support that concept. The gun industry should be pushing safe storage in their media too. 1
Andy1 Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said: sho and how they possibly gonna enforce that? Now you can’t cure stupid but these laws modify the behavior of good gun owners who try to do the right thing. 34 States have - Child Access Prevention Laws: laws designed to prevent children from accessing firearms, including laws imposing crimimal liability when a child gains access to a firearm as a result of negligant firearm storage, laws preventing people from providing firearms to minors, and laws requiring safe storage of all firearms in the state. State definitions of "minor" may range from children under 14 to those under 18. 14 States have - Safe Storage or Gun Lock Requirements: laws designed to limit access to guns by unauthorized users, including minors, by requiring that guns be kept locked in a secure place or requiring a firearm locking device. Massachusett and Oregon require that all firearms be stored with a lock in place; California, Colorado, Connecticut, and New York impose gun locking requirements in certain situations. State laws may apply to cetain types of guns only, such as handguns or assault weapons, and may be required during gun sales by dealers and/or private gun sales. In five states (CA, CT, MD, MA, NY), locking devices must meet state standards, or be approved by a state agency for effectiveness. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-and-children-legislation/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"} 1
Andy1 Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) Gun Violence Is Actually Worse in Red States. It’s Not Even Close. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413 It’s a long read but an interesting explanation on how Americas historical geography and regional cultural differences influence gun violence and gun laws in the nation. Edited April 23, 2023 by Andy1 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 17 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said: sho and how they possibly gonna enforce that? this could help: https://www.npr.org/2023/04/21/1171367738/colorado-startup-says-it-has-a-viable-smart-gun-that-only-shoots-for-registered- 1
ChiGoose Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 Texas prom after-party ends with gunfire, 9 wounded “Gunfire erupted at a prom after-party in a Texas town on Sunday, injuring nine people, police said. Jasper County Sheriff's Office deputies responded to a disturbance at a home north of Jasper shortly after midnight. They found nine victims with gunshot wounds that were not considered life threatening, the local sheriff's office said. “
aristocrat Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/18/2023 at 7:15 PM, BillStime said: The cult can kiss another generation of voters away from the GQP. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 23 hours ago, Andy1 said: From a 2023 report by the ATF: The ATF found that 54% of traced crime guns were recovered by law enforcement more than three years after their purchase. Those guns were legally purchased, but were later used in crimes, the report indicated. A huge way those legally purchased firearms get into the hands of criminals is through theft, the ATF said. In five years, there were more than 1 million firearms stolen from private citizens and reported to authorities. Research done in recent years has emphasized the importance of safely storing guns. Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit that advocates for gun control, reports that "households that locked both firearms and ammunition were associated with a 78 percent lower risk of self-inflicted firearm injuries and an 85 percent lower risk of unintentional firearm injuries among children and teens, compared to those that locked neither." Roughly 4.6 million children live in a home with loaded and unlocked firearms, studies have shown. And over 80% of mass shooters at K-12 schools stole guns from family members, according to research funded by the National Institute of Justice (a program of the U.S. Justice Department) that examined mass shootings that took place from 1966 to 2019. Along with the huge bump in gun sales during the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been a subsequent increase in unintentional shootings by children and gunfire on school grounds, according to the Be SMART campaign. The organization, launched to raise awareness on the importance of gun storage, says keeping guns locked, unloaded and away from ammunition can help save children's lives. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1153977949/major-takeaways-from-the-atf-gun-violence-report My takeaway from this is there are a whole lot of irresponsible gun owners just leaving their guns around the home. People are buying guns with no understanding of the responsibility that goes with gun ownership. Safe storage laws would be a good place to start as most responsible gun owners should support that concept. The gun industry should be pushing safe storage in their media too. Two questions, first serious second not- what precise storage law would be effective to accomplish what you want? Why do you believe Everytown when that is like believing Alex Jones? No one takes them seriously when they exaggerate and flat out make things up. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/02/16/parkland-school-shooting-no-there-have-not-been-18-school-shootings-already-year-column/343100002/ 2
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Yep…. I wonder why ?
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