What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, LeviF said:

The difficulty of this actually serves their purpose. 
 

Leftists despise local law enforcement, especially sheriffs, as they represent the only remaining wielders of sanctioned violence that are completely outside of the purview of the regime. Sheriffs in many states have already defied federal agencies and even state legislatures in the gun grabbing efforts. You can imagine that many sheriffs would ignore any confiscation order not only for the safety of their deputies but also on principle. 
 

Ever notice how the calls to “defund” or “abolish” the police never seem to extend to, say, the FBI? If the left got their way there would be forcible confiscation of guns by a massive federal law enforcement agency that would engage with gun owners much the same way the FBI and ATF engaged with David Koresh and Randy Weaver. Leftists would squeal with glee as formerly law abiding people who ignored an order shouted by megaphone got their houses lit up. And all this is fine because so long as the law enforcement agency is beholden only to the regime, they can murder and entrap with impunity as they receive top cover from the White House, judiciary, and fourth estate. 

Just an amazing take on reality. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Can't be both??? 

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

[Commsvet11]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Can't be both??? 

Ah yes the educated and intelligent on full display here 

[ArdmoreRyno]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Are these stats actually true? If so, banning these weapons is the very definition of a poster child for a political talking point. 

 

100% accurate. These are total deaths (all ages) by something other than things like "falling" (which claims the lives of 32,000 Americans per year). 

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Just an amazing take on reality. 

he did summarize it pretty well and has a way with words.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

6 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Automobile is high. its like ones child has more odds of being hurt or killed on the ride to or home from school than by a rifle.

 

But I can still buy a car that goes twice the speed limit, and these new eclectics have massive torque.  crazy.

 

And Deer on the list?  WTF  kind of deer are in them woods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guess we can actually add that to the automobile deaths... since those are accidents/deaths caused by deer. 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

Bolsheviks push porn and sex shows on kid. Nazis ban them. Get it straight. 

 

Oh, is that what Chris Rufo told you? Or are you going to run to TIKTOK to prove me wrong? 

 

Meanwhile - your cult is:

• Forcing TEN YEAR OLDS TO DELIVER BABIES.
• Making it EASIER to SLAUGHTER KIDS at school.
• Passing laws to enable CHILD labor.
• Making the case for CHILD marriage.

Get it STRAIGHT comrade.

 

jfc

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

40 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

Like this? 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/public-safety/2023/03/30/capital-region-school-shooting-threats

[Joe Ferguson forever]

44 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

yup.  we all totally believe you...

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Like this? 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/public-safety/2023/03/30/capital-region-school-shooting-threats

 

Just read the whole article. Maybe the link you posted, that version doesn't have the "AR-15" included... maybe I just can't see it. Could you point out to where it says these schools were on lockdown due to the AR-15? 

 

Thanks for any help

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

yup.  we all totally believe you...

 

Funny, I don't care what you believe 👍

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Funny, I don't care what you believe 👍

or what is true...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Show me any example where a school closed because of "fear of the AR-15". 

 

I've asked COUNTLESS kids the question, "Do you ever worry someone might come into the school and shoot?" 

 

I've NEVER got a yes. Ever. Now my youngest said she was worried about a guy, who ended up getting kicked out of school, about 4 years ago at her HS. But no kid has ever told me they are scared of a school shooter. Would be like asking us if we were worried the Russians and nukes after we did a nuclear bomb drill. Or if we are scared of a tornado. 

 

(WAY more likely to die in a tornado hitting our school than someone coming in and shooting it up)

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-most-american-students-fear-school-shootings/

 

So were you "practicing" in a school in 2018?  Do you think these numbers have gotten better or worse since then?  Perhaps you live in an area where fear and anxiety in children are totally absent?

 

The Pew study also found large disparities between respondents when accounting for race, family income and the party affiliation of parents. The report is based on interviews with 743 teens and more than 1,000 parents over the past month.

For example, the fear of school shootings is particularly pronounced for students of color. Nearly three-quarters of Hispanic students say they are at least somewhat worried about a shooting, compared to about half of white students saying the same.

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ArdmoreRyno]

7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

or what is true...

 

Which is? I interact with HUNDREDS of kids a day at a high school. I've asked TONS of kids that question... especially after something like what happened in Nashville. Those questions are mainly focused around how we can make our school safer. What's interesting, only teachers/staff feel "unsafe" at times. Again, never a student in regards to a school shooter possibly happening. They simply don't worry. Maybe it our culture in Oklahoma? We aren't afraid of tornadoes either, despite the fact we are in the middle of Tornado Alley. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Which is? I interact with HUNDREDS of kids a day at a high school. I've asked TONS of kids that question... especially after something like what happened in Nashville. Those questions are mainly focused around how we can make our school safer. What's interesting, only teachers/staff feel "unsafe" at times. Again, never a student in regards to a school shooter possibly happening. They simply don't worry. Maybe it our culture in Oklahoma? We aren't afraid of tornadoes either, despite the fact we are in the middle of Tornado Alley. 

your area is a real outlier .  you should publish your findings and hypothesize why.

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-most-american-students-fear-school-shootings/

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/18/a-majority-of-u-s-teens-fear-a-shooting-could-happen-at-their-school-and-most-parents-share-their-concern/

 

guess you missed this journal issue:  https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/09/news-mass-shootings-collective-traumas

 

how can you be unaware of this and be competent in your work?

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

your area is a real outlier .  you should publish your findings and hypothesize why.

https://www.courthousenews.com/poll-shows-most-american-students-fear-school-shootings/

 

I'll fit that in with two jobs (I see my patients between 3:30 and 7 p.m. after I finish at the high school), driving 40 mins to and from work and spending time with my fiancée. 

 

It's actually not a bad idea if I want to work on my Ph.D. someday. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

I'll fit that in with two jobs (I see my patients between 3:30 and 7 p.m. after I finish at the high school), driving 40 mins to and from work and spending time with my fiancée. 

 

It's actually not a bad idea if I want to work on my Ph.D. someday. 

maybe if you were good at the first job (or really had it), you wouldn't need a second job

 

Also if you do write it up, you should enlist the help of a statistician to calculate the odds of not finding a condition in hundreds of subjects that have an overall prevalence of that condition of over 50%.  It's got to be astronomical!!  Remarkable.  or absolute BS

Edited March 31, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

35 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

yup.  we all totally believe you...

 

Not biased AT all - lmao

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Not biased AT all - lmao

he'd have a better chance of winning the lottery than never meeting a high school student fearful of a mass shooting if he really works as school therapist or counselor.

[Tiberius]

 

The following is a partial list of when an AR-15-style weapon was used in a mass shooting:

Feb. 14, 2018: Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Florida leaves 17 people dead.

Oct. 1, 2017: The Las Vegas slaughter of 58 people.

Nov. 5, 2017: The Sutherland Springs, Texas, church shooting that claimed 26 lives.

June 12, 2016: The Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., that left 49 dead.

Dec. 2, 2015: The San Bernardino, Calif., shooting that killed 14 people.

Dec. 14, 2012: The shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut that took 27 lives.

43 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Just read the whole article. Maybe the link you posted, that version doesn't have the "AR-15" included... maybe I just can't see it. Could you point out to where it says these schools were on lockdown due to the AR-15? 

 

Thanks for any help

 

Funny, I don't care what you believe 👍

It was ar-15's. the weapon of choice in mass shooting. 

 

Damn, can't wait to see this thing banned again 

 

 

 

For his 2016 book “Rampage Nation,” Klarevas collected data on every gun massacre — which he defines as six or more people shot and killed — for the 50 years before 2016. His aim was to see whether there was any change in the number of gun massacres while the 10-year federal ban on assault weapons was in place.

He calls the results “staggering.” Compared with the 10-year period before the ban, the number of gun massacres during the ban period fell by 37 percent, and the number of people dying from gun massacres fell by 43 percent. But after the ban lapsed in 2004, the numbers shot up again — an astonishing 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/15/its-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/

[SoCal Deek]

When I was kid we had mandatory drills where we went into the hallway and covered our heads with our butts in the air, preparing for a nuclear bomb to hit the playground! And as you’all know I turned out just fine.