What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Irv said:

This is how demented losers like you think.  What a mess.  

It's much better than not thinking at all...

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

so only trans people are insane?

Silly strawman.

 

but prior to 2012, yes. that was considered insane/mental disorder.

 

https://nicic.gov/weblink/being-transgender-no-longer-mental-disorder-apa-2012#:~:text=The American Psychiatric Association has,changes announced this past weekend.

 

But then again, 1-8 people have some mental health issue.

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-disorders

 

that's an interesting topic but where is said line.  

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

But then again, 1-8 people have some mental health issue.

uh huh...

[Irv]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

It's much better than not thinking at all...

You didn’t think too hard when you created your screen name.  It’s “Red-tailed Hawk” not redtail hawk.  You’re hilarious.  This is too easy.  What a mess.  
 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Irv

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 hours ago, LeviF said:

Of course, the problem is that bolsheviks have redefined mental illness to mean whatever they want, because their hooks and members are so deeply sunk into the various professional organizations that get to define mental illness for us plebs. It’s the same issue as anywhere else: pseudo-academics who were “educated” by ideologically insular institutions meddle with definitions so they can insert their politics into medicine.

The R party left physicians, then physicians left the party.  Not the other way around.  We don't identify with Nazi's

https://www.wsj.com/articles/doctors-once-gop-stalwarts-now-more-likely-to-be-democrats-11570383523

But yes, when we are out golfing, Bolshevism is a frequent topic of discussion, at least in my regular group😂

Got a 11 am tee time today.  I'll be sure to bring it up on the 1st tee. If not today, I'm sure we'll discuss Sunday.

Edited March 30, 2023 by redtail hawk

[K D]

13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

so only trans people are insane?

No but that's the one they decided to normalize so these people think it's ok to do pretend they are a boy one day and a girl the next and then they don't seek the help they need. If you try and help these people they will say you are transphobic and you will be cancelled and fired from your job.

 

These people are having serious mental breakdowns and the world is just like leave them alone they are fine it's ok to be whatever you want.

 

What's next? Pedophiles are ok because love is love? Schizophrenia is ok because personalities are fluid? Yikes 

[Tommy Callahan]

8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

uh huh...

So is say, SSRI and depression/anxiety enough to keep one from ownership?

Whats the line if heading down that road.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

No but that's the one they decided to normalize so these people think it's ok to do pretend they are a boy one day and a girl the next and then they don't seek the help they need. If you try and help these people they will say you are transphobic and you will be cancelled and fired from your job.

 

These people are having serious mental breakdowns and the world is just like leave them alone they are fine it's ok to be whatever you want.

 

What's next? Pedophiles are ok because love is love? Schizophrenia is ok because personalities are fluid? Yikes 

Nope.  none of that.  As I said before, crazy is crazy.  Doesn't matter your race, sex, religion etc.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

So is say, SSRI and depression/anxiety enough to keep one from ownership?

Whats the line if heading down that road.

 

 

I think we start with a national red flag law for those considered a danger to themselves or others by a judge after mandatory referral from an appropriate medical specialist...but the MAGA's won't like it cuz the majority of doctors have left their party...

Edited March 30, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

I think we start with a national red flag law for those considered a danger to themselves or others by a judge after mandatory referral from an appropriate medical specialist.

ITs something that seems like it would make a difference.  I have to ask, what the mandatory trigger would be?  

 

I know the NY red flag laws work to remove the guns, but don't work when the person is found innocent (or the family court is settled) and want their possessions back.  as the judges and DA's are very hesitant to put their name on the form due to liability.  

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

38 minutes ago, Irv said:

You’ve got nothing left.  Face.  
 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, Chris farley said:

ITs something that seems like it would make a difference.  I have to ask, what the mandatory trigger would be?  

 

I know the NY red flag laws work to remove the guns, but don't work when the person is found innocent (or the family court is settled) and want their possessions back.  as the judges and DA's are very hesitant to put their name on the form due to liability.  

 

 

 

 

Mandatory, in that the medical person can have an ethics complaint filed for not doing so and be reported to the licensing board.

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

Mandatory, in that the medical person can have an ethics complaint filed for not doing so and be reported to the licensing board.

But what is the trigger that makes them report?  the person saying, they have anxiety and get SSRI?  that's what I mean by the trigger. 

 

Or more like when crisis services is called by the police or hospital? and that triggers the red flag?

 

what would be the trigger?  Would the girl getting gender treatment trigger the mandatory report?  the guy with PTSD?  

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

But what is the trigger that makes them report?  the person saying, they have anxiety and get SSRI?  that's what I mean by the trigger. 

 

Or more like when crisis services is called by the police or hospital? and that triggers the red flag?

 

what would be the trigger?  Would the girl getting gender treatment trigger the mandatory report?  the guy with PTSD?  

 

 

 

 

What about danger to self or other do you not understand?  go back and read the AMA ethics statement on this that I cited.

[ArdmoreRyno]

56 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Were 3 9 yo's killed by an insane person with a gun this week?

 

I'd venture out to say yes, or around that age. Here's one:

 

https://abc3340.com/news/local/child-dead-man-hospitalized-in-morgan-county-stabbing-hartseelle-village-drive-knife-violence

[BillStime]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

So only if the person says they are thinking of hurting themselves or others. thats it.

 

wonder if that would stop people from seeking help.

 

Especially when even the advocates cant state what the trigger is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Chris farley

[ArdmoreRyno]

14 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Yeah, more guns - that's the answer - MORE F'N GUNS. 

 

What's next?

 

Bullet proof school busses? 

 

Bullet proof playgrounds?

 

Bullet proof sporting facilities for football? LAX? Field hockey? Soccer? Tennis? Track? Cross Country?

 

Are we going to place every kid in a bubble?

 

OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT EXTREMELY HARD FOR SOMEONE TO GET A F'N GUN???

 

 

Any time someone hires a new LEO that's "MORE F'N GUNS!"?

 

 

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

So only if the person says they are thinking of hurting themselves or others. thats it.

 

wonder if that would stop people from seeking help.

 

Especially when even the advocates cant state what the trigger is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd say yes. We have to report someone under those circumstances along with someone hurting them. People often don't seek out counseling or help due to the fact we must report (mandatory reporter) as a health professional. 

[Tommy Callahan]

15 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

What about danger to self or other do you not understand?  go back and read the AMA ethics statement on this that I cited.

“a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim” to a psychotherapist, that psychotherapist is required to take steps to protect the intended victim"  So only people with a psychotherapist that makes a direct threat to a actual victim.  

 

doesn't seem like it would impact much at all. did the crazy person in Tenn tell their psychotherapist they were going to shoot up the school?

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

“a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim” to a psychotherapist, that psychotherapist is required to take steps to protect the intended victim"  So only people with a psychotherapist that makes a direct threat to a actual victim.  

 

doesn't seem like it would impact much at all. did the crazy person in Tenn tell their psychotherapist they were going to shoot up the school?

 

 

 

 

your reading comprehension needs work.  or more likely you cherry picked the article.  Psychotherapists make up a tiny percentage of AMA membership and pretty sure the piece wasn't targeted at them.  but I'm not going back for you and reread it.