What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Things that didn’t kill kids today:
*Books. *Drag Queens. *Pronouns. *Statue of David

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Yah the only thing wrong is your trying to change the US into a socialist country . Some Californians & NYers do that they hate the high taxes & the laws there & move to states like Fl. & Tenn. then vote for those that believe the way the politicians did where they came from& eventually the things they try to get away from are where they are living now .

 

Hey that's almost like when the pilgrims came to America to get away from the over taxing that the King was doing in England & to get away from the central banking system that were screwing people over in that country but look at the US today it's exactly the same or worse but that's okay because we get "FREE STUFF" !!! 

you apparently see things in black and white (dualism).  I see a spectrum.  btw, i wouldn't live in either of those states if they paid me 6 figures.  Nashville is actually really nice but it's in an awful state.

Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Joe Ferguson forever]

45 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

You don’t see Congressmen - sorry, persons, calling for Civil War.  

wait...are you for or against civil war.  I can't tell😀

[ArdmoreRyno]

51 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

or could it be that our society is producing many crazy, sad people...  ya know, like people that take 30 oxycontin a day?  Are you against anti depressants?  Church of Scientology perhaps?  And of course, the only societal variable that has changed in the last 30 years is the number of psych med prescriptions...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

 

Where did I say any of those things? I am talking about correlation. Socioeconomics play a part in crime, as in gangs/drugs/etc. Has really nothing to do with a kid who goes into a school to shoot other kids. 

 

Economics isn't the only "societal variable" that has changed in 30 years. You can include social media in that correlation. It has been devastating to our society. 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by ArdmoreRyno

[T master]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Things that didn’t kill kids today:
*Books. *Drag Queens. *Pronouns. *Statue of David

you apparently see things in black and white (dualism).  I see a spectrum.

 

No dualism just plain black & white that's the things that are wrong today way to much grey area today . Apparently you are either to young or just don't care about history & to short sighted to see what this countries history tried to get away from & yet has become the same that it ran from . I won't say that i would rather live any where else because even with all of it's faults America is still the best country in the world !! 

 

That being said America has become Fat, Lazy and entitled the people feel just because we live here we should have to be given entitlements, reparations for things that happened in the past & not have to work for them any more and have lost their balls !! With all that then you throw in a bunch of politicians that try to make every one happy which you can't do & give them every thing they think they need welcome to present day America .

 

A country with no consequences for anything which is a huge reason why there is so many that have shunned the bible & it's teaching because they want to live in a law less society to do what they want how they want when they want & do it by there rules & screw right or wrong .

 

No those things didn't kill kids but the things you list can indoctrinate children to this anything goes mentality which sorry but black is black & white is white.

 

If you as a ADULT person want to use pronouns go for it that's your prerogative, if you want to choose a different sexual life style go for it, If you as a "Adult" want to change your body go for it, but don't push your life style on me & mine i will raise my child & grand children to know things as they are intended what ever you believe how we became to be here & respect those that feel & believe differently until they PUSH or infringe their thoughts on me that's when i push back .

 

My belief is you can take a standard bolt & with enough force make a metric nut work on that standard bolt & it will hold not as strong but it will, but that isn't the way it was meant to be in it's inception & there will be ramifications to forcing things such as that . It will not hold as strong, as long & will only have 1 use and then it's done it can;t be used over again where if it is used as intended it can be reused over & over again .

 

But apparently common sense has no place today it's kind of like the thoughts of electric is best but charge them with diesel generators & use a machine that takes 1200 gallons of fuel per day to dig up the minerals needed to make the batteries welcome to the new world order ...

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Where did I say any of those things? I am talking about correlation. Socioeconomics play a part in crime, as in gangs/drugs/etc. Has really nothing to do with a kid who goes into a school to shoot other kids. 

 

Economics isn't the only "societal variable" that has changed in 30 years. You can include social media in that correlation. It has been devastating to our society. 

 

 

Didn't say it was.  just a single example.  Which is why I challenged your correlation.  As a mental health professional, are you generally against the use of anti depressants in, you know, depressed patients?

[BillStime]

Absolute scum - history will not be kind to these terrorists.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Didn't say it was.  just a single example.  Which is why I challenged your correlation.  As a mental health professional, are you generally against the use of anti depressants in, you know, depressed patients?

 

No I'm not... because I never said that. And you said "only societal variable"

 

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Absolute scum - history will not be kind to these terrorists.

 

 

 

He's worn the same pin for a while now... he's sponsoring a bill that would name the AR-15 as the national firearm (just a waste of time and money IMO). 

The AR-15 rifle wasn't used in Nashville. A KelTec 2000 and AR-pistol was used. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by ArdmoreRyno

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Absolute scum - history will not be kind to these terrorists.

 

 

There are several certifiable psychopaths in congress right now.  And an ex president.  What a mess.

Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

How do you fix evil? 

We have tens of thousands of gun laws on the books today in the United States. None of them stop someone who is determined to do harm to others. I continue to say it, Nice France.... a lunatic with a truck killed nearly 90 people and injured over 400. Evil found a way. 2016 in Sagamihara, Japan. Evil managed to kill nearly 20 people and injured another 25. Evil found a way. 

 

Criminals aren't going to register their firearms or go to a FFL to do a background check when they get a stolen gun off from a fellow gang member. 

 

99% of gun owners aren't going to ever commit a criminal act with that firearm. Studies have shown that licensed conceal carry folk are even less likely to commit a violent crime than police officers. You can't punish someone like me, who served this country, because of a crazy 28 year old trans kid from Nashville. 

 

I'll also say it again, we can protect our children but we have to finance the schools. Do that before we finance a proxy war in Ukraine. $30-50 billion could go to do what my school has done.... invest in real security cameras, safety glass at the door, double entry at the entrance (you have to be buzzed into the main lobby, then buzzed into the hall. Only the front office allows people in and they look at the camera first. Resource officers. Allow front office workers to carry/have access to firearms with the proper training. As a former member of the military and competitive shooter, I'd go through extra training by LEO to protect this school. Etc. etc. The loon in Nashville stated she went after her former school over another school because the LACK OF SECRUITY. If a school was allowed to arm itself, that deterrence is MASSIVE. No school that has armed staff has had a school shooting during school hours. Ever. 

 

If you look at the past 20-30 years, the span that school shootings and even "mass" shootings have increased, so has the amount of psychotropic medications prescribed. We lead the WORLD in psychotropic medication used... anti-depressants, ADHD meds, etc. That number has spiked drastically over the past 20-30 years. Same span that we've seen these shootings occur. Coincidence? 

 

Make it harder to get guns so that fewer psychos have access.   That's a big first step everyone should support.   Draw a line (I'm no expert so I won't say where) on which weapons are for the military/police and which for the public. 

 

2 steps that should be supported by all but will not be.  

 

 

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

He's worn the same pin for a while now... he's sponsoring a bill that would name the AR-15 as the national firearm (just a waste of time and money IMO). 

The AR-15 rifle wasn't used in Nashville. A KelTec 2000 and AR-pistol was used. 

 

Here is that tough guy during the "tourist" visit on January 6

 

 

Imaging how our kids must feel going to school every day wondering if they will make it home. Talk about robbing their youth.

 

Absolutely f'n pathetic world we live in...

 

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by BillStime

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Make it harder to get guns so that fewer psychos have access.   That's a big first step everyone should support.   Draw a line (I'm no expert so I won't say where) on which weapons are for the military/police and which for the public. 

 

2 steps that should be supported by all but will not be.  

 

 

 

Okay... and how would you put that idea in place? There are laws in the books, in every state (they vary state-to-state) to do that. What constitutes someone who is a "psycho"? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

@Irv doesn't have a lot to say.  His/her propaganda sites must not have addressed the specific topics he placed emojis under.  what a mess.

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Okay... and how would you put that idea in place? There are laws in the books, in every state (they vary state-to-state) to do that. What constitutes someone who is a "psycho"? 

I'm sure consensus could be achieved by mental health professionals.  Hopefully you wouldn't be asked to participate.

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Here is that tough guy during the "tourist" visit on January 6

 

 

Imaging how our kids must feel going to school every day wondering if they will make home. Talk about robbing their youth.

 

Absolutely f'n pathetic world we live in...

 

 

 

I work at a high school. I've never had any kid ask or say "I wonder if we will make it home". My girls never said that to me when they were in school. 

 

Maybe kids living in gang ridden area.

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

@Irv doesn't have a lot to say.  His/her propaganda sites must not have addressed the specific topics he placed emojis under.  what a mess.

I'm sure consensus could be achieved by mental health professionals.  Hopefully you wouldn't be asked to participate.

 

Oh wow, so we are making personal attacks huh? You don't know me and how I help people or don't help people. 

 

I continue to say it, we have laws that already prevent certain people from owning a firearm. What else would you put in place? 

[Irv]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

@Irv doesn't have a lot to say.  His/her propaganda sites must not have addressed the specific topics he placed emojis under.  what a mess.

You're hilarious.  I've owned multiple guns for over 40 years and still do.  I've never broken a single law.  Next time some psychopath plows through a crowd and kills a bunch of people, let's take away your Prius. 

 

What a joke.  What a mess.  

[aristocrat]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

I work at a high school. I've never had any kid ask or say "I wonder if we will make it home". My girls never said that to me when they were in school. 

 

Maybe kids living in gang ridden area.

 

Oh wow, so we are making personal attacks huh? You don't know me and how I help people or don't help people. 

 

I continue to say it, we have laws that already prevent certain people from owning a firearm. What else would you put in place? 

I know your nihilistic stance on gun violence, hands winging, "nothing to be done."  That's more than enough.

Edited March 29, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Maybe kids living in gang ridden area.

 

Yeah, just like those kids and adults at the Covenant School - nestled in one of Nashville's most upscale neighborhoods.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Irv said:

You're hilarious.  I've owned multiple guns for over 40 years and still do.  I've never broken a single law.  Next time some psychopath plows through a crowd and kills a bunch of people, let's take away your Prius. 

 

What a joke.  What a mess.  

you're just so clever...and law abiding.  Good for you!  Dodge Challengers are dead give aways.

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Irv said:

What a mess.  

 

One of the least appropriate emojis in this thread:

 

 

4 minutes ago, Irv said:

What a joke.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

One of the least appropriate emojis in this thread:

 

 

 

The ironic thing is that Irv Weinstein was widely felt to be a smart, good , decent man.