What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ChiGoose]

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Very little more than what's already been/being done unless you repeal the second amendment.  After every school shooting like this you have one side clamoring for common sense gun reform laws and the other side saying they're politicizing the issue to try and take away their constitutional right.  The first should be clamoring for repealing the second amendment.  NO HALF MEASURES if you actually want to get anything substantial accomplished.

Well, something to keep in mind that the brainwashed loonies have never read the entire 2A nor do they realize that the constitutional right for an individual to own a gun is not yet old enough to vote. 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Very little more than what's already been/being done unless you repeal the second amendment.  After every school shooting like this you have one side clamoring for common sense gun reform laws and the other side saying they're politicizing the issue to try and take away their constitutional right.  The first should be clamoring for repealing the second amendment.  NO HALF MEASURES if you actually want to get anything substantial accomplished.

And then. What's the goal and what do you think the outcome was would be.  And ratification?  

Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley

[BillStime]

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

And then. What's the goal and what do you think the outcome was would be.  

By calling for repealing the second amendment you can shift the debate to the left making a lot of the "common sense" gun laws that have been debated ad nauseum more of a moderate position.  Somewhat how the ACA is now seen as moderate after the left pushing calling for Medicare for All. 

 

All I ever hear every time a tragedy like this happen is feckless democrats preface every minor gun control proposal as assuring people that we're not here to take your guns away.  Their message should be "owning guns should be a privilege and not a right.  In order to make that a true reality we need to repeal the second amendment."  Nothing substantial will happen until they take that position.  

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

By calling for repealing the second amendment you can shift the debate to the left making a lot of the "common sense" gun laws that have been debated ad nauseum more of a moderate position.  Somewhat how the ACA is now seen as moderate after the left pushing calling for Medicare for All. 

 

All I ever hear every time a tragedy like this happen is feckless democrats preface every minor gun control proposal as assuring people that we're not here to take your guns away.  Their message should be "owning guns should be a privilege and not a right.  In order to make that a true reality we need to repeal the second amendment."  Nothing substantial will happen until they take that position.  

How would the second be removed?  Im talking logistically and reality. 

 

"The Constitution’s Article V requires that an amendment be proposed by two-thirds of the House and Senate, or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is up to the states to approve a new amendment, with three-quarters of the states voting to ratifying it"

 

There are thousands of gun laws on the books. most mass shootings are in and where DEM DA's have the authority to charge. and they choose to be lax on crime and release violent criminals back on the street.  won't even charges for things like gun possession in many cities.  and something is broken with the NICS check (FBI) and its 24 hour reporting for failed checks.  

 

There are some very low hangings fruit that could be legislated. but that doesn't seem to be the goal of the anti-second voices.

 

So logistically, how would the second be repealed. then how would the 300+ million guns in people's possession, be removed.

 

this the part where it gets interesting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley

[BillStime]

If only we could do something about those locked doors

 

Ah f it - kids don’t matter - guns do! 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

16 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Of course they can but they're not nearly as effective at killing large numbers of people which assault rifles do all too well.

In your state, what dx's qualify for a person losing his/her gun rights?

 

If you're a danger to yourself or others. You also can't sell a firearm to someone who wants to do those things. But in states like Mass, where my oldest is in college... if you've been committed to a mental health facility in the past 5 years for whatever reason, you aren't allowed to get a firearm. So it varies. 

15 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

Well, being trans was removed from being listed as a mental illness a few years back. Having a mental illness would have been a disqualification for buying the rifles. 

 

No, it hasn't. It's still a mental disorder in the DSM-5

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

If you're a danger to yourself or others. You also can't sell a firearm to someone who wants to do those things. But in states like Mass, where my oldest is in college... if you've been committed to a mental health facility in the past 5 years for whatever reason, you aren't allowed to get a firearm. So it varies. 

 

No, it hasn't. It's still a mental disorder in the DSM-5

not very specific.  As a clinical psychologist you should know since you've probably gone in front of a magistrate for such patients.  What dx did you give the magistrate?  Did antisocial personality d/o get it done?  If so, trump shouldn't be able to buy a gun nor a bunch of his MAGA cult.

Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk

[boyst]

17 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Another shooting. Another string of people blaming absolutely everything instead of the obvious cause of our shooting epidemic. 
 

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Change nothing and just stack the bodies of the kids in the corner or whatever. 

just chiming in with dust settling.  the obvious case? it's a mental health issue. we can blame men just as much as the gun because look how many of these are carried out by men. the YWNBARG went into a school and was clearly a mental health issue being at it's base a dude who thought it was a chick.

[ArdmoreRyno]

The media continue to report "AR-style weapons" were used. One appeared to be an "AR-22" which is a .22LR and one was a Kel-Tec .380, which is NOT an AR-style anything. It's a black gun. That's the only thing that is related to an AR-platform... the color. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

The media continue to report "AR-style weapons" were used. One appeared to be an "AR-22" which is a .22LR and one was a Kel-Tec .380, which is NOT an AR-style anything. It's a black gun. That's the only thing that is related to an AR-platform... the color. 

and the ability to efficiently kill many innocents in a short time period...but I'm sure the murderers choose these rifles cuz they're black

Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk

[ChiGoose]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

just chiming in with dust settling.  the obvious case? it's a mental health issue. we can blame men just as much as the gun because look how many of these are carried out by men. the YWNBARG went into a school and was clearly a mental health issue being at it's base a dude who thought it was a chick.

Wrong. 
 

If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. 
 

Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness…

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

just chiming in with dust settling.  the obvious case? it's a mental health issue. we can blame men just as much as the gun because look how many of these are carried out by men. the YWNBARG went into a school and was clearly a mental health issue being at it's base a dude who thought it was a chick.

 

And there you go ladies and gentlemen - the official GQP/NRA buzzwords and talking point have been regurgitated for the millionth time.

 

Amazing, the United States is the ONLY country on this planet that suffers from mental health????

 

We are THAT SPECIAL?

 

jfc

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Because we think.  We use logic. 
 

You’re all emotion no thought no logic.  
 

Your kind is dangerous.   
 

Ban duh guns.  
 

 

Never mind the countless lives the very presence of those guns saves every single day. 
 

In a country of 400 million people, to do the thinks your kind wants to do turns into full CCP Land. 
 

Those guns, and that dam Constitution and the remaining American Judges that still believe in it, are all that stands in the way of it becoming some dystopian nightmare like North Korea, China or worse, Canada.   

Actually, many argue that shotguns are the best home defense weapons.  When your hands are shaking and you're about to kill someone, you won't miss with a shotgun.  Personally, I'm attached to an 870.  Great for all types of varmints.  Oh, and loyal, robust dogs are probably even better for protecting your home.

https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/best-home-defense-shotgun/

 

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/pets/g22997516/best-guard-dogs/

#3 is my fav here.  Closely followed by #10.

Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Wrong. 
 

If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. 
 

Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness…

Americans are entitled fat consumption based mouth breathers. Most other cultures, not so much. 

 

The medical community is enabling this as much as anyone because there is so muc- profit to be made in the tranny trend.

[Tommy Callahan]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Wrong. 
 

If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. 
 

Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness…

Maybe something about the NICS check asking those questions and the threat of 250K dollar fine isnt stopping criminals. maybe a way to actually verify the FBI NICS check.

 

https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics

 

If the goal is to go after the problem vs legal citizens exercising their rights.

 

 

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions

 

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

 

This question jumps out.

 

"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside"

 

 

 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

Americans are entitled fat consumption based mouth breathers. Most other cultures, not so much. 

 

The medical community is enabling this as much as anyone because there is so muc- profit to be made in the tranny trend.

[ArdmoreRyno]

12 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

and the ability to efficiently kill many innocents in a short time period...but I'm sure the murderers choose these rifles cuz they're black

 

You can do that with ANY firearm. Handguns were used in the worst school shooting in American history. A shotgun was used at Parkland. 

 

Kel-Tec .380 = slightly less power than the Glock 19 (which is a handgun) in 9mm (casing and powder amount is smaller). 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Actually, many argue that shotguns are the best home defense weapons.  When your hands are shaking and you're about to kill someone, you won't miss with a shotgun.  Personally, I'm attached to an 870.  Great for all types of varmints.  Oh, and loyal, robust dogs are probably even better for protecting your home.

https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/best-home-defense-shotgun/

Little long and large to use in a home, but cant argue. the sound alone of the racking is something.  shot doesn't kill through dry wall.  Dont have to Aim, just point.

 

But you gonna need a permit for one of them in say NYC, and they dont give out permits to plebs.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley

[Roundybout]

8 hours ago, LeviF said:

Boy that Tucker guy sure is nuts, huh?

 

 

 

My goodness, you guys are easy to program. "All transgender people are terrorists." It's so easy!