What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Advertisement for a machine gun you could order by mail. When anybody with a pulse was actually able to get not just a gun, but a gun that is now illegal to manufacture because of how murdery it is. 
 

Strangely enough we never read about the mass shootings perpetrated by the folks who got guns sent directly through the mail in the 1920s. 

Because the guns were being used to rob banks at the time. John Dillinger and people of his “ profession” outgunned the cops. Guns cause more problems than mass shootings, unfortunately 

[Jauronimo]

17 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Advertisement for a machine gun you could order by mail. When anybody with a pulse was actually able to get not just a gun, but a gun that is now illegal to manufacture because of how murdery it is. 
 

Strangely enough we never read about the mass shootings perpetrated by the folks who got guns sent directly through the mail in the 1920s. 

Strangely enough, I believe gun violence in the 1920s due to the availability of the Thompson gun was the beginning of the gun control debate in this country.

 

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/484215890/prohibition-era-gang-violence-spurred-congress-to-pass-first-gun-law

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, LeviF said:

And actual fun fact about the Thompson advertised above, the postal inspectors used them in the ‘20s. Price was about $200 per, not cheap by 1920s standards, but adjusted for inflation I imagine it’s on par with some high end semi automatics today. 

But it weighs a lot more! My buddy had one and I was surprised how much it weighed, and the clips of ammo were heavy too 

[Tommy Callahan]

14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Strangely enough, I believe gun violence in the 1920s due to the availability of the Thompson gun was the beginning of the gun control debate in this country.

 

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/484215890/prohibition-era-gang-violence-spurred-congress-to-pass-first-gun-law

And the gangs power grew to the point of those mass shootings due to congress passing the 18th amendment.  

 

Similar to the current gun/gang problem that thrived with the war on drugs.

 

 

[LeviF]

45 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Strangely enough, I believe gun violence in the 1920s due to the availability of the Thompson gun was the beginning of the gun control debate in this country.

 

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/484215890/prohibition-era-gang-violence-spurred-congress-to-pass-first-gun-law

Indeed. Law enforcement agencies quickly found themselves behind the 8 ball. 
 

The Thompson was also a chosen weapon of the IRA in the 20s. 

46 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But it weighs a lot more! My buddy had one and I was surprised how much it weighed, and the clips of ammo were heavy too 

Yeah they ain’t light that’s for sure. Polymers and plastics have made weapons much lighter. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

9 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Indeed. Law enforcement agencies quickly found themselves behind the 8 ball. 
 

The Thompson was also a chosen weapon of the IRA in the 20s. 

Yeah they ain’t light that’s for sure. Polymers and plastics have made weapons much lighter. 

 

I got to shoot a Browning BAR a while back. Talk about weight! Would love to have one though. 

[Tommy Callahan]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

I got to shoot a Browning BAR a while back. Talk about weight! Would love to have one though. 

I know an italian imigrant that lives in NY that only hunts with B.A.R

 

https://www.offthegridnews.com/self-defense/the-10-best-hunting-rifles-the-browning-bar-30-06/

[nedboy7]

On 2/18/2023 at 6:05 PM, LeviF said:

Having your views objectively confirmed as 100% correct in real time is a nice feeling that happens to me almost every day. Y’all should try it some time. 
 

 

 

A very popular "State of Exemption" that has provided much needed results in that country.  But you think Americans would go for what is basically Martial Law with full government surveillance of it's citizens?  It's not just harsh penalties and suspending the rights to legal council.  On top of that.... In December 2021, the United States government accused Bukele of negotiating a secret agreement with the gangs, reducing violence in return for financial and prison benefits. 

[LeviF]

8 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

A very popular "State of Exemption" that has provided much needed results in that country.  But you think Americans would go for what is basically Martial Law with full government surveillance of it's citizens?  It's not just harsh penalties and suspending the rights to legal council.  On top of that.... In December 2021, the United States government accused Bukele of negotiating a secret agreement with the gangs, reducing violence in return for financial and prison benefits. 

Yeah, an agreement that, if it even existed, clearly went south fairly quickly. 
 

Membership in a criminal street gang is already an escalator for sentencing under federal law. No need for martial law, empower local police agencies to utilize regional gang task force members to quickly identify street gang affiliate suspects and round them up.
 

And I have bad news regarding 24/7 surveillance of American citizens. 

[B-Man]

Back to this story

 

GOOD GUY WITH A GUN: Legally Armed Civilian Shot El Paso Mall Shooter, Preventing More Casualties.

All the best people keep telling me this never happens.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/narrative-fail-legally-armed-civilian-shot-el-paso-mall-shooter-preventing-more-casualites/

 

 

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[nedboy7]

On 2/20/2023 at 2:24 PM, LeviF said:

Yeah, an agreement that, if it even existed, clearly went south fairly quickly. 
 

Membership in a criminal street gang is already an escalator for sentencing under federal law. No need for martial law, empower local police agencies to utilize regional gang task force members to quickly identify street gang affiliate suspects and round them up.
 

And I have bad news regarding 24/7 surveillance of American citizens. 

 

The Patriot Act was a thing of beauty. 

[Tiberius]

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

I am very ok if the superintendent is charge with child endangerment. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2023/2/20/1_6281531.amp.html

 

I hope this is all formality and in a few weeks he is not charged, if people breaking in to your home does not make an armed response reasonable I am not sure what could 

[BillStime]

Yes, more guns

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

THAT’S NOW HOW THIS WORKS! THAT’S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS. 

 

Marshall University Prof: Cops and Vets Earn Their Second Amendment Rights Through Months of Training.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/marshall-university-prof-cops-and-vets-earn-their-second-amendment-rights-through-months-of-training/

 

 

 

Hey Prof !

 

You don't 'earn' your civil rights, they are yours at birth.

 

 

 

Added: and yes, everyone should be trained, but that isn't the point here.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

17 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

THAT’S NOW HOW THIS WORKS! THAT’S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS. 

 

Marshall University Prof: Cops and Vets Earn Their Second Amendment Rights Through Months of Training.

 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/marshall-university-prof-cops-and-vets-earn-their-second-amendment-rights-through-months-of-training/

 

 

 

Hey Prof !

 

You don't 'earn' your civil rights, they are yours at birth.

 

 

 

Added: and yes, everyone should be trained, but that isn't the point here.

 

 

 

And just because you're a veteran, doesn't mean you go through "months of *FIREARM* training". 

 

You can be a 92Y (supply, for example) and only fire a weapon in basic for a couple of weeks and then once a year to 'requalify". In basic, you'll RARELY ever see a sidearm (pistol) and will likely never handle one unless you're an officer. To think just because you served, you're 'weapons trained' is comical. I know plenty of people who I served with that SUCK at handling guns. 

[LeviF]

14 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

And just because you're a veteran, doesn't mean you go through "months of *FIREARM* training". 

 

You can be a 92Y (supply, for example) and only fire a weapon in basic for a couple of weeks and then once a year to 'requalify". In basic, you'll RARELY ever see a sidearm (pistol) and will likely never handle one unless you're an officer. To think just because you served, you're 'weapons trained' is comical. I know plenty of people who I served with that SUCK at handling guns. 

 

Similarly, I've done requals and, gasp, remedial trainings for cops who clearly didn't know a barrel from a butthole. And it's not "months" of training, the curriculum when most cops in NY went through academy includes 48 hours of firearms training.

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Similarly, I've done requals and, gasp, remedial trainings for cops who clearly didn't know a barrel from a butthole. And it's not "months" of training, the curriculum when most cops in NY went through academy includes 48 hours of firearms training.

 

People like the professor at Marshall, are completely clueless. 

 

I'll never forget the last day we turned in our M16A2 at basic (Ft. Leonard Wood), we were in formation outside the armory. We did our typical "dry fire" to make sure the weapon was clear. Some idiot girl squeezed a round off. She was discharged that afternoon and not allowed to get back in. 

 

Military or CLEET ≠ good at handling a firearm 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Are there fewer hunters now or something? Why so many damn deer all over the place? You hunters need to get busy on those things 

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Are there fewer hunters now or something? Why so many damn deer all over the place? You hunters need to get busy on those things 

maybe stop building highways and gated communities, Rich landowners buying up farm land for development.  creating false environment where they have no predators and people cannot hunt.

 

Lots of factors in conservation.

 

your reply almost makes it sound like you support more guns.