Chef Jim Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Most gun deaths are suicides. Would this point towards we have more of a mental illness problem than a gun problem?
ChiGoose Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Thank you for including that last sentence which blows up your entire argument. Most gun deaths are self inflicted and have nothing to do with what I'm discussing. I'm talking about the exact situation we just saw in CO where someone walked into a place knowing nobody there had a gun and it was like target practice unfortunately. If the bouncers were armed do you think he even gets in the door? Bad guys will always have guns. Laws only stop good guys from having them too. #1 for gun deaths = Chicago which has probably the strictest gun laws in the entire USA. NY has the 2nd strictest gun laws of any state and that didn't stop someone from driving from 3 hours away and going into Tops and shooting up the place. And the latest one in CO where strict gun laws and mag limits exist and they admit that the red flag laws didn't work to stop anything except for the good guys from having a gun of their own for protection. I have a gun on me at all times even as they are trying to ban them from every single business and make it a felony to carry which is unconstitutional. And because of NY laws I would not be allowed to use it unless I could prove in court that my life was in danger and there is absolutely no way of me getting out of the situation otherwise. So even if I did need to use it I would be in jail for months for doing nothing wrong and then be on trial for murder. Better that then be dead I suppose, but these laws are just not common sense. Bad guys have guns so good guys need guns. It's not hard to understand Once again, the good guys with guns scenario almost never happens even in a country with guns everywhere. And thanks for bringing up Chicago, which actually refutes your argument. Most of the guns used in crime here come from Indian, Wisconsin, and other states. What Chicago proves is that we need effective national gun laws or else criminals will just buy guns in lax states to use in stricter states. There are potential solutions that don’t involve taking away everyone’s guns but we’ll never be able to implement them because “responsible gun owners” will continue to oppose them. So we’ll either just go on being a final embarrassment or it’ll finally boil over and the government will end up confiscating guns. All because the “2A” people simply don’t care if their fellow Americans are gunned down. 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Would this point towards we have more of a mental illness problem than a gun problem? Nope, still a gun issue. People who survive suicide attempts rarely end up dying by suicide. The attempt occurs during a drastically awful moment in their lives and if they get through that, they generally end up living a productive life. Non-firearm methods of suicide like pills or cutting end up in death something like 5-20% of the time. Firearm attempts are closer to 95%. Bottom line: if the person in crisis doesn’t have access to a gun in that moment, they most likely will not die by suicide.
SoCal Deek Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Just a regular reminder that the forced birth crowd does not support action that would prevent elective abortions but instead implements laws that endanger the lives of pregnant women while also opposing anything that would help reduce gun deaths. They’re not pro-life, they are pro-death. Forced Birth? Absolutely hilarious how creative the Left has gotten with language. Wouldn’t suicide then be a solution to “forced existence”?
ChiGoose Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Forced Birth? Absolutely hilarious how creative the Left has gotten with language. Wouldn’t suicide then be a solution to “forced existence”? Call it whatever you want, but it’s certainly not pro-life.
SoCal Deek Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, ChiGoose said: Call it whatever you want, but it’s certainly not pro-life. I call it a human being.
BillStime Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Great idea. How do you plan to get rid of ALL guns? You’re right Jim - it’s too big of challenge for us to take on so let’s just sacrifice more lives because it’s too hard. F that
Chef Jim Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Nope, still a gun issue. People who survive suicide attempts rarely end up dying by suicide. The attempt occurs during a drastically awful moment in their lives and if they get through that, they generally end up living a productive life. Non-firearm methods of suicide like pills or cutting end up in death something like 5-20% of the time. Firearm attempts are closer to 95%. Bottom line: if the person in crisis doesn’t have access to a gun in that moment, they most likely will not die by suicide. So what you're saying is you don't think people that are committing these mass shootings don't have a mental problem? I'm not just talking suicides. 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: You’re right Jim - it’s too big of challenge for us to take on so let’s just sacrifice more lives because it’s too hard. F that Billy. I'm looking for a serious adult conversation from you. I'm not saying we don't take on the challenge. Your solution is to get rid of all guns. Yes this will solve the problem. But how would you suggest we go about it?
ChiGoose Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So what you're saying is you don't think people that are committing these mass shootings don't have a mental problem? I'm not just talking suicides. Of course not. What I’m saying is that they wouldn’t commit mass shootings if they didn’t have access to guns.
Big Blitz Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Is this another leftist circle ***k before they have all the facts? To the surprise of absolutely no one. Remember folks - it went from just “assault rifles” to ban all guns. The logical conclusion of legit every single leftist policy is 1984.
B-Man Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Step 1) Blame Ultra MAGA White Supremacist Christian Nationalists. Step 2) If as facts reveal themselves if killer is white go back and repeat step 1 if not go to step 3 Step 3) Transition focus to the gun not the shooter and go to step 4 Step 4) Blame the availability of guns on Ultra MAGA White Supremacist Christian Nationalists 1 1
Chef Jim Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Of course not. What I’m saying is that they wouldn’t commit mass shootings if they didn’t have access to guns. Well aren’t you the brilliant one. 🙄 How about we’d reduce mass shootings is we did something that we actually could have happen. Increasing the ability to see these red flags and get people better access to mental healthcare.
ChiGoose Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Well aren’t you the brilliant one. 🙄 How about we’d reduce mass shootings is we did something that we actually could have happen. Increasing the ability to see these red flags and get people better access to mental healthcare. The thing that’s really frustrating about these discussions is that they only occur after mass shootings, which, while awful and far too frequent, represent only a fraction of gun deaths. If we truly valued lives, we’d have a discussion on all gun deaths and how they can be prevented. There are steps between “take all the guns away” and “muh freedoms” that would actually save lives. But it requires us talking about the actual issue and not scapegoating mental health as if we are the only country with mentally ill people.
K D Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Once again, the good guys with guns scenario almost never happens even in a country with guns everywhere. And thanks for bringing up Chicago, which actually refutes your argument. Most of the guns used in crime here come from Indian, Wisconsin, and other states. What Chicago proves is that we need effective national gun laws or else criminals will just buy guns in lax states to use in stricter states. There are potential solutions that don’t involve taking away everyone’s guns but we’ll never be able to implement them because “responsible gun owners” will continue to oppose them. So we’ll either just go on being a final embarrassment or it’ll finally boil over and the government will end up confiscating guns. All because the “2A” people simply don’t care if their fellow Americans are gunned down. Nope, still a gun issue. People who survive suicide attempts rarely end up dying by suicide. The attempt occurs during a drastically awful moment in their lives and if they get through that, they generally end up living a productive life. Non-firearm methods of suicide like pills or cutting end up in death something like 5-20% of the time. Firearm attempts are closer to 95%. Bottom line: if the person in crisis doesn’t have access to a gun in that moment, they most likely will not die by suicide. They are going to pass a federal law to get rid of all of the guns? Lol just like they did with drugs? I can get drugs faster than I can get a Happy Meal. You are living in quite the fantasy world. There will always be bad guys with guns just like there will always be bad guys with drugs and bad guys with knives etc etc. There are bad people in this world. Knowing that don't you think good guys should be able to protect themselves? Or should I go to jail on a felony just for carrying concealed into a Walmart? Please let this make sense
BillStime Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Of course not. What I’m saying is that they wouldn’t commit mass shootings if they didn’t have access to guns. The only country in the world with daily slaughter is the only country in the world where people have mental health issues. This is getting old.
B-Man Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Diminished Majority Supports Stricter Gun Laws In U.S. BY MEGAN BRENAN https://news.gallup.com/poll/405260/diminished-majority-supports-stricter-gun-laws.aspx Four Mass Shooting Truths to Shut Down Your Liberal Family Members at Thanksgiving Dinner BY KEVIN DOWNEY JR The recent mass shooting in Colorado Springs is the 601st mass shooting in 2022. There have been four mass shootings since then, but you likely haven’t about them. You probably didn’t hear about most of the previous 600 shootings, either. Why is that? Because the left is keeping secrets. https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2022/11/22/four-mass-shooting-truths-to-shut-down-your-liberal-family-members-at-thanksgiving-dinner-n1647976 .
BillStime Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Diminished Majority Supports Stricter Gun Laws In U.S. BY MEGAN BRENAN https://news.gallup.com/poll/405260/diminished-majority-supports-stricter-gun-laws.aspx Four Mass Shooting Truths to Shut Down Your Liberal Family Members at Thanksgiving Dinner BY KEVIN DOWNEY JR The recent mass shooting in Colorado Springs is the 601st mass shooting in 2022. There have been four mass shootings since then, but you likely haven’t about them. You probably didn’t hear about most of the previous 600 shootings, either. Why is that? Because the left is keeping secrets. https://pjmedia.com/columns/kevindowneyjr/2022/11/22/four-mass-shooting-truths-to-shut-down-your-liberal-family-members-at-thanksgiving-dinner-n1647976 . Keep killing bro
wnyguy Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, BillStime said: Thank you MAGA Why do you find so much joy in these tragedies? You are one sick person. 1
Chef Jim Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, BillStime said: The only country in the world with daily slaughter is the only country in the world where people have mental health issues. This is getting old. And we're the only country with guns. This is getting old. Complex problems befuddle simple minds.
BillStime Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And we're the only country with guns. This is getting old. Complex problems befuddle simple minds. You’re the one who can’t handle ANY mitigation efforts. And tell us why no other country has this issue with guns?
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