TakeYouToTasker Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Really? Supreme Court decision DC vs Heller, upholding the 2nd amendment. Page 2: "2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56." This of the majority opinion supporting the second amendment. A nice way to show that you are 100% wrong. I'd like you to clarify which poor argument you're making, in order to take it apart for you. Are you arguing that the High Law of the Land is not the Constitution itself, but rather that Constitutional Lawyers are? Or is your argument that the SCOTUS is incapable of making improper, unconstitutional decisions? Or maybe it's that the extremely narrow language used in Heller is actually overly broad, and all encompassing, meaning that any bill passed by Congress and signed into law by the President intended to regulate gun ownership supersedes the Second Amendment's explicit decree "shall not be infringed"? Or perhaps your argument is that the current or future Courts cannot overturn prior rulings which run afoul of Origionalism? Edited August 7, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, Figster said: Well they did take the fig out of the Newton. but yes, guns in the hands of criminals in many instances results in harm to the public, If you can add two and two... Tell me what you think of these realities: There are more guns in the United States than people, and the people who own the guns are overwhelmingly against everything you've proposed, as what you propose is a violation of their rights. Guns have the unique property of lending themselves to the protections of rights which others try to violate. Trying to remove guns from the hands of individuals who believe you are violating their rights by trying to take them away will lead to the largest, and ongoing, amount of gun violence in the history of the country. More than half the country would likely become felons under your proposal. The people you would be charging with confiscation and enforcement are overwhelmingly pro-Second Amendment gun owners themselves. There are many more tangential points, though I'd like you to respond to these first. 1
B-Man Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 Get it through your thick skull. 2nd Amendment is not about hunting or self defense... 5
Figster Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Tell me what you think of these realities: There are more guns in the United States than people, and the people who own the guns are overwhelmingly against everything you've proposed, as what you propose is a violation of their rights. Guns have the unique property of lending themselves to the protections of rights which others try to violate. Trying to remove guns from the hands of individuals who believe you are violating their rights by trying to take them away will lead to the largest, and ongoing, amount of gun violence in the history of the country. More than half the country would likely become felons under your proposal. The people you would be charging with confiscation and enforcement are overwhelmingly pro-Second Amendment gun owners themselves. There are many more tangential points, though I'd like you to respond to these first. Only two real ways to fix the gun problem in the US.( IMO) Control them or remove them. I'm not sure why any law abiding citizen would have a problem helping eliminate guns ending up in the wrong hands or going where the gun was not intended. ( IMO) Edited August 7, 2019 by Figster
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Figster said: Only two ways to fix the gun problem in the US. Control them or remove them. Address my points please. Quote I'm not sure why any law abiding citizen would have a problem helping eliminate guns ending up in the wrong hands or going where the gun was not intended. This is a No True Scotsman fallacy. (a logical fallacy) You've presented an assumed point, attempted to insert it without validating through argument; and then asserted that anyone who opposes this assumed point isn't a law abiding citizen. This is not an argument. Address the points I made, and then we can continue. Edited August 7, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker
bdutton Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Figster said: Only two ways to fix the gun problem in the US. Control them or remove them. I'm not sure why any law abiding citizen would have a problem helping eliminate guns ending up in the wrong hands or going where the gun was not intended. Its not a gun problem. Its a violence problem. Multiple factors leading to an escalation in random mass shootings which I have posted in this thread and the other thread already. There has been increased gun control measures enacted since 1968 with zero net effect on reducing the criminal misuse of guns. If it's not the gun it is other factors that have been overlooked (at best) or ignored (at worst). 1
plenzmd1 Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 4 hours ago, westside2 said: It indicates to me, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. 4 hours ago, /dev/null said: That as a resident of a blue state represented twice on the list above (Virginia), I should take proactive steps to protect myself. OR..how about 8 of the 10 states with the strictest gun laws are not on the list where mass shootings have occured So i would take it then as a matter of logic that that stricter gun laws prevent mass shootings.
IDBillzFan Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Figster said: Tell me where your at, at all times, or your punk ass is getting melted down and made into a trash can so you can eat garbage. You should take your GPS plan to Bernie! Or better yet, why not take over the empty Chief of Staff position for AOC and you can include it in her New Green Deal! Now with GPS tracking for people who dare to fly by air! Trying to board a plane? We're going to melt you down, you punk ass traveler! Greatest meltdown ever! Now entering it's third season! 29 minutes ago, Figster said: Only two ways to fix the gun problem in the US. Control them or remove them. Right on! Same with spoons! The only way to stop the spread of obesity is to to put a GPS in all spoons. If you're a fatass going for a double scoop of Ben and Jerry's Antifa Jubiliee, we're going to melt you down, punk!!! Edited August 7, 2019 by IDBillzFan
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: You should take your GPS plan to Bernie! Or better yet, why not take over the empty Chief of Staff position for AOC and you can include it in her New Green Deal! Now with GPS tracking for people who dare to fly by air! Trying to board a plane? We're going to melt you down, you punk ass traveler! Greatest meltdown ever! Now entering it's third season! Right on! Same with spoons! The only way to stop the spread of obesity is to to put a GPS in all spoons. If you're a fatass going for a double scoop of Ben and Jerry's Antifa Jubiliee, we're going to melt you down, punk!!! You've gone full Boisie Boy since emigrating to Idaho. And since someone brought up the Boisie Boy TV show, looks like a beautiful part of the country. Congrats.
DC Tom Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 What is so hard about finding a bikini that fits properly? 1 2
bdutton Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 Also... poor trigger discipline. 3/10 would not bang. 1
unbillievable Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, DC Tom said: What is so hard about finding a bikini that fits properly? I don't think she can go any smaller, before it becomes illegal to post here. 1
Doc Brown Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The interesting fact is that they actually didn’t get Obamacare through in that window! You’ll recall that when Ted Kennedy died the good people of Massachusetts rose up and elected a republican just so that he could stop the ACA. So the Dem leadership did an end around and never brought the bill back to the floor for a vote, knowing it wouldn’t pass. A story most Americans forget. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid were slick in navigating the waters to get it passed after Kennedy died as they refused to let it drown. Another overlooked aspect of getting the bill passed was Obama urging Democratic Senators not to strip Lieberman of his chairmanship on one of the Senate's committees even though he endorsed McCain. Even though Lieberman pry killed the public option he voted for the final bill and may not have out of spite.
Figster Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Address my points please. This is a No True Scotsman fallacy. (a logical fallacy) You've presented an assumed point, attempted to insert it without validating through argument; and then asserted that anyone who opposes this assumed point isn't a law abiding citizen. This is not an argument. Address the points I made, and then we can continue. The high number of guns in the US is obvious. People refusing to do what might be asked to help remedy the gun problem is an assumed point on your part. ( point taken on my post) Edited August 7, 2019 by Figster
ALF Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 Do the right thing like New Zealand , outlaw assault rifles and destroy any out there. The police and law obeying citizens will be safer.
whatdrought Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, ALF said: Do the right thing like New Zealand , outlaw assault rifles and destroy any out there. The police and law obeying citizens will be safer. Define an assault rifle.
ALF Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Define an assault rifle. AR-15 type
bdutton Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Define an assault rifle. 11 minutes ago, ALF said: AR-15 type Like this?
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