Boatdrinks Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: I don't think it's a huge issue. One guy wrote a manifesto and drove 10 hours to an area highly concentrated with Latinos, and proceeded to shoot a bunch of Latinos (including some others). This qualifies as terrorism. The other guy just seems like a crazy person. He bought a gun, got the biggest magazine he could find, and went into the entertainment district of Dayton and unloaded, killing his sister and other randoms. Shooter #1 was a terrorist. Shooter #2 was just a crazy guy with a gun. The terrorist, regardless of their colour and religious beliefs, is always going to get the majority of the attention. That is partisan rhetoric as seen on CNN. These shooters were both terrorists. They both set out to shoot large numbers of people in a public place. One was shot down before he could kill even more than he did, or the Dayton toll would have probably exceeded El Paso. One shooter is deemed worse by a segment of the media because the other appears to have left - leaning tendencies. He is then given a pass as just crazy with an “ unclear motive “ but casually lumped in with the El Paso shooter ( much worse because - Trump supporter). They are both terrorists , end of story. 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: But you have to admit that blaming video games for right wing terrorism is simply a right wing political spin No it’s not. I believe the libs talked about it after Columbine. There’s no politics involved in suggesting video games or internet notoriety played some role. Most people don’t shoot others, regardless of their political “ side of the fence”. Edited August 6, 2019 by Boatdrinks 2
B-Man Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 WASHINGTON POST GLIBLY DISMISSES MENTAL ILLNESS AS CAUSE OF MASS SHOOTINGS Trump Gets His Bipartisan Wish: McConnell Forms Gun-Law GOP Caucus https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/08/06/trump-gets-bipartisan-wish-mcconnell-forms-gun-law-gop-caucus/ . 1
Boatdrinks Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 1 minute ago, B-Man said: WASHINGTON POST GLIBLY DISMISSES MENTAL ILLNESS AS CAUSE OF MASS SHOOTINGS Trump Gets His Bipartisan Wish: McConnell Forms Gun-Law GOP Caucus https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/08/06/trump-gets-bipartisan-wish-mcconnell-forms-gun-law-gop-caucus/ . Lol what a joke the WaPo is. Obviously anyone who commits a mass shooting has some kind of mental illness. But hey, let’s just blame it on Trump. He inspires the mentally stable to do unstable things!
dubs Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 Seeing people on here defend the MSM is mind blowing. I think we just start calling them, “flat earthers”. The second tragedy of these events (the first being the actual event) is that the vast majority of people, if not everyone, in this country want to see these things stop. Reasonable people can disagree on how that should be done, but the level of vitriol and counterproductive shouting immediately causes people to get on the defensive and dig in. Leading that downward spiral is the media and many opportunistic politicians. Either they are simply stupid and don’t realize what this does, or perhaps that’s their intention, to create perpetual agitation? Keeps eyes on the news and gives politicians things to rail about. 2
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, jrober38 said: The partisanship is based off of the GOPs refusal to do anything about gun laws, and the fact that mass shootings continue to happen month after month, year after year. Doing nothing is clearly not an option, yet that's the GOP's stance and the vast majority of Americans don't agree with them on this issue. Amend the Constitution, and then come try to take them. You want to know what mass casualty events really look like? Start trying to criminalize certain types of guns, and trying to seize them. The GOP is representing the interests of these constituents, and upholding the Constitution. That’s their job. It’s why they were elected. Edited August 6, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker
DC Tom Posted August 6, 2019 Posted August 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Amend the Constitution, and then come try to take them. You want to know what mass casualty events really look like? Start trying to criminalize certain types of guns, and trying to seize them. The GOP is representing the interests of these constituents, and upholding the Constitution. That’s their job. It’s why they were elected. Less angrily...there's a Second Amendment that supersedes any law Congress passes. Democrats want to pretend it simply doesn't exist. That's complete bull####. You want to change the country, fine. Start at the Constitutional level. Good luck. 1 1
jrober38 Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 10 hours ago, row_33 said: It doesn’t matter to either side, Obama got nothing down with Congress in his hip pocket I know. Obama was pretty useless as a President. I think he ran with decent intentions but quickly fell into the black hole that is Washington D.C. politics.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I know. Obama was pretty useless as a President. I think he ran with decent intentions but quickly fell into the black hole that is Washington D.C. politics. It's been said that his intention was to fundamentally transform America, and that seems accurate. Whether or not his intentions were decent is squarely in the eye of the beholder,
jrober38 Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 9 hours ago, pop gun said: What's your solution? - Establish a two tiered Federal Licensing system. - Tier 1 is for current gun owners (Possession License). You get to keep ALL of your weapons, however you cannot acquire new ones without a Tier 2 License. - Tier 2 is for future gun owners (Acquisition License). You can purchase weapons. - To get an Acquisition License to purchase firearms, applicants need to pass a written test that focuses on laws and theory, as well as a practical test that demonstrates proper gun safety and good practices for transporting and storing firearms. Have it run by vets or former police. - Once the test is passed, applicants submit themselves to an extensive background check, and have to provide numerous references as part of an extensive background check. - If their application is successful, Acquisition License holders can buy rifles, shotguns, handguns, semi auto rifles. - Acquisition License Renews every 5 years, with a fresh background check. If not renewed, you default to Possession License. - Gun show and private sales of weapons are illegal. You'd need to use a registered gun supplier who would intermediate the background check and verify that the purchaser has a proper license. Potential Add Ons: - Military style "accessories" like silencers, pistol grips, drum magazines, etc, are made illegal. - Weapon capacities are imposed and limited to 10 rounds in any weapon. High capacity magazines are illegal.
BeginnersMind Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, jrober38 said: - Establish a two tiered Federal Licensing system. - Tier 1 is for current gun owners (Possession License). You get to keep ALL of your weapons, however you cannot acquire new ones without a Tier 2 License. - Tier 2 is for future gun owners (Acquisition License). You can purchase weapons. - To get an Acquisition License to purchase firearms, applicants need to pass a written test that focuses on laws and theory, as well as a practical test that demonstrates proper gun safety and good practices for transporting and storing firearms. Have it run by vets or former police. - Once the test is passed, applicants submit themselves to an extensive background check, and have to provide numerous references as part of an extensive background check. - If their application is successful, Acquisition License holders can buy rifles, shotguns, handguns, semi auto rifles. - Acquisition License Renews every 5 years, with a fresh background check. If not renewed, you default to Possession License. - Gun show and private sales of weapons are illegal. You'd need to use a registered gun supplier who would intermediate the background check and verify that the purchaser has a proper license. Potential Add Ons: - Military style "accessories" like silencers, pistol grips, drum magazines, etc, are made illegal. - Weapon capacities are imposed and limited to 10 rounds in any weapon. High capacity magazines are illegal. Who would be left to shoot deep state soldiers in defense of freedom?
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: - Establish a two tiered Federal Licensing system. - Tier 1 is for current gun owners (Possession License). You get to keep ALL of your weapons, however you cannot acquire new ones without a Tier 2 License. - Tier 2 is for future gun owners (Acquisition License). You can purchase weapons. - To get an Acquisition License to purchase firearms, applicants need to pass a written test that focuses on laws and theory, as well as a practical test that demonstrates proper gun safety and good practices for transporting and storing firearms. Have it run by vets or former police. - Once the test is passed, applicants submit themselves to an extensive background check, and have to provide numerous references as part of an extensive background check. - If their application is successful, Acquisition License holders can buy rifles, shotguns, handguns, semi auto rifles. - Acquisition License Renews every 5 years, with a fresh background check. If not renewed, you default to Possession License. - Gun show and private sales of weapons are illegal. You'd need to use a registered gun supplier who would intermediate the background check and verify that the purchaser has a proper license. Potential Add Ons: - Military style "accessories" like silencers, pistol grips, drum magazines, etc, are made illegal. - Weapon capacities are imposed and limited to 10 rounds in any weapon. High capacity magazines are illegal. 100% unConstitutional. Can’t be done by law. ”Shall not be infringed” Start there. Learn how to Amend the US Constitution. Then, when that’s failed, pound sand.
Doc Brown Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 13 hours ago, row_33 said: It doesn’t matter to either side, Obama got nothing down with Congress in his hip pocket 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: I know. Obama was pretty useless as a President. I think he ran with decent intentions but quickly fell into the black hole that is Washington D.C. politics. Dems only had a supermajority for 72 days and they never had 60 Senators that would pass any gun control legislation. Dems like Max Baucus of Montana made any effort fruitless. They got the ACA through though in that short window.
row_33 Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Dems only had a supermajority for 72 days and they never had 60 Senators that would pass any gun control legislation. Dems like Max Baucus of Montana made any effort fruitless. They got the ACA through though in that short window. There is no interest in banning weapons, a lot of empty posturing for a week or two after the next tragedy, then fiddle-de-deeeee the rest of the world can’t even begin to fathom why these weapons are defended as some kind of autonomy
Westside Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/5/2019 at 9:00 PM, jrober38 said: Anyway you define it, this is something the US sees happen far more than any other developed country. The notion that bad guys will always find guns simply doesn't ring true with any consistency anywhere else in the developed world. My opinion is that if you make it harder to get guns, these loner, lone wolf shooters with no social skills usually have no idea how to find the black market let alone purchase a high powered rifle there. The black market is a place for career criminals to find weapons, but I don't think the type of deranged psycho who wants to kill a bunch of random people will have any success buying illegal weapons there, otherwise you'd see these things happen way more in other developed countries around the world. I wonder what percentage of mass shootings are in blue states compared to red states? NY, chi, Detroit, Baltimore, Gary Indiana, LA. If you take away these democratic run ***** holes, I wonder how much your crime statistics improve?
/dev/null Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, westside2 said: I wonder what percentage of mass shootings are in blue states compared to red states? NY, chi, Detroit, Baltimore, Gary Indiana, LA. If you take away these democratic run ***** holes, I wonder how much your crime statistics improve? According to Wiki, the 25 deadliest mass shootings in the US are https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States Mass shootings since the "Assault Weapons" ban sunset in the early 2000s: Swing state mass shootings Orlando, FL Parkland, FL Pittsburgh, PA Red state mass shootings Sutherland Springs, TX El Paso, Tx Santa Fe, TX Geneva County, AL Blue state mass shootings Las Vegas, NV Virginia Tech Sandy Hook, CT San Ysidro, CA San Bernadino, CA Binghamton, NY Aurora, CO Washington Navy Yard Thousand Oaks, CA Virginia Beach, VA Edited August 7, 2019 by /dev/null 1
Westside Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, /dev/null said: According to Wiki, the 25 deadliest mass shootings in the US are https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States Mass shootings since the "Assault Weapons" ban sunset in the early 2000s: Swing state mass shootings Orlando, FL Parkland, FL Pittsburgh, PA Red state mass shootings Sutherland Springs, TX El Paso, Tx Santa Fe, TX Geneva County, AL Blue state mass shootings Las Vegas, NV Virginia Tech Sandy Hook, CT San Ysidro, CA San Bernadino, CA Binghamton, NY Aurora, CO Washington Navy Yard Thousand Oaks, CA Virginia Beach, VA Thanks /dev/null
plenzmd1 Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, westside2 said: Thanks /dev/null and what does that list indicate to you?
SoCal Deek Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Dems only had a supermajority for 72 days and they never had 60 Senators that would pass any gun control legislation. Dems like Max Baucus of Montana made any effort fruitless. They got the ACA through though in that short window. The interesting fact is that they actually didn’t get Obamacare through in that window! You’ll recall that when Ted Kennedy died the good people of Massachusetts rose up and elected a republican just so that he could stop the ACA. So the Dem leadership did an end around and never brought the bill back to the floor for a vote, knowing it wouldn’t pass. A story most Americans forget. 1
4merper4mer Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: There is no interest in banning weapons, a lot of empty posturing for a week or two after the next tragedy, then fiddle-de-deeeee the rest of the world can’t even begin to fathom why these weapons are defended as some kind of autonomy To paraphrase Marv: The minute we start doing things to please the rest of the world we'll be sitting with them.
B-Man Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 Every time a politician tells us we must give up our rights, they validate why we have those rights in the first place. . 1 2
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