SoCal Deek Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Azalin said: No, but the original source is still the major news outlets. Unless facebook has their own field reporters and I've somehow missed that? The major news outlets are no longer the original source for ANYTHING. All they do is grab stories from the internet blogs and spin them. Your age (I’m getting there too) is showing.
B-Man Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 MATT MARGOLIS: No, The United States Doesn’t Lead The World in Mass Shootings. Conflating “DO SOMETHING!” with effectuation of useful change is foolishness. . 1
3rdnlng Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 Let there be no doubt that the Democrat Party survives on being able to wrap the Republican Party up in issues that the Democrats have no intention or desire to solve. They need the issues because they don't have the ability to actually govern. Their issues are the only thing that gives them a chance to be in power. At least the Republicans are oriented towards solving problems.
row_33 Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: This emotionally on edge condition is not result of Donald Trump. If anything this is the result when half of the country refuses to accept the results of an election! They still are bitter about 2000
Boatdrinks Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: Honest question here. If this guy was yelling allah Akbar, your opinion would be completely different, though, right? You would not be trying to make it about lonelyness or the internet, it would be in a thread literally entitles "Islamic Terrorism" Where have we seen that? Probably ,(who said loneliness ? ) That’s your word meant to imply some type of empathy or sympathy for the perp, of which I have none. The reason for the difference would be that particular religion teaches that type of behavior to be honorable or even expected. Absolutely, yes my opinion would be completely different. Why wouldn’t my opinion be different if the guy yelled out a religion based statement.? This was a heinous act , but not one driven by a religious ideology as far as I know. What are the factors then ? Yes I think the internet has created a lot of antisocial types. If their views and actions are warped enough, they want their fifteen minutes of internet infamy. It’s at least a contributing factor. Edited August 5, 2019 by Boatdrinks
Azalin Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The major news outlets are no longer the original source for ANYTHING. All they do is grab stories from the internet blogs and spin them. Your age (I’m getting there too) is showing. Considering this conversation is within the context of guns & mass shootings, are you really going to say that these events are presented by major news networks & print based off material gleaned from blogs? There's still quite a bit of reporting done from the scene & and "as it happens". That's not to say that it isn't spun immediately, and I'm not denying the presence or impact of blogs. I just believe it to be inaccurate to say that major news outlets are no longer the original source for anything.
row_33 Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 So we are reduced to Tibs setting up hypotheticals to feel superior, what a total heartless loser does he enjoy stunning house flies and then tearing a wing off so they spin in a circle and then eat the fly when it dies?
SoCal Deek Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Azalin said: There's still quite a bit of reporting done from the scene & and "as it happens". That's not to say that it isn't spun immediately, and I'm not denying the presence or impact of blogs. I just believe it to be inaccurate to say that major news outlets are no longer the original source for anything. This is a thread about gun violence. I can promise you that young people are not getting their news from Tom Brokaw. You can choose to believe me or not.
row_33 Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This is a thread about gun violence. I can promise you that young people are not getting their news from Tom Brokaw. You can choose to believe me or not. original source is not the same as first glance source
SoCal Deek Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: original source is not the same as first glance source I’m not sure what point you’re making
B-Man Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 "The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate, in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America." - @realDonaldTrump Nothing Trump days will ever be enough because the left knows it’s charges are lies. The point has always been to silence him and you. . 2
row_33 Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure what point you’re making AP or WaPo gets the scoop, not likely a source for an iPhone user. That reader is usually viewing third-hand reports, does that help? doesn’t mean the old guard with all its contacts and leakers is worthless
SoCal Deek Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: AP or WaPo gets the scoop, not likely a source for an iPhone user. That reader is usually viewing third-hand reports, does that help? doesn’t mean the old guard with all its contacts and leakers is worthless Thanks most millennials get 100% of their ‘news’ from their feed of choice on their phone..which are often laced with editorial pieces as opposed to straight news And I’d guess most shooters get their slanted version of their world from hate infested chat rooms. (For example it’s much the same way that I get my Bills news here. I don’t read the Buffalo News sports page.) 2
Azalin Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: This is a thread about gun violence. I believe I just said that very thing, but you decided not to quote that part of my post.
Bray Wyatt Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: "The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate, in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America." - @realDonaldTrump Nothing Trump days will ever be enough because the left knows it’s charges are lies. The point has always been to silence him and you. . Well of course he would say that! He isn't going to just come out and say he is a racist and he is responsible!! Wake up Sheeple!!! - CNN probably
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: "The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate, in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America." - @realDonaldTrump Nothing Trump days will ever be enough because the left knows it’s charges are lies. The point has always been to silence him and you. . ...Trump is responsible for the Dayton shooter who was a head case in HS, graduating in 2013.......this gang is the epitome of foment and vitriol.......trying to use these tragedies for political gain redefines vile and repugnant....
IDBillzFan Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I mentioned to hubby (and a few friends) this past weekend that the gun-grabbers make me want to get a pistol license, only problem is I'd actually have to shoot a gun. Hubby assured me I do not have to shoot a gun in order to get, or keep, a pistol permit license in NYS. And then he immediately said to me we can go to the shooting range together. While I'm sure your husband is correct on the last point, the truth is that the very, very, very first thing you should do is take a local gun safety class. They're usually a few hours, and provide you with the basics you need to know about handling a gun; how to hold it, how to store it, how to load it, how to fire it, etc. The class we took ended with them having my wife fire a .22, then a 9mm, then a .40, etc. She didn't need a gun. She just needed to know how to handle the ones I have in the house. Plus, you're in a class with other newbies, so you're in good company. Just a suggestion.
3rdnlng Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 3 hours ago, bdutton said: In the early 1970's there was a shift in treating mental illness with incarceration in mental institutions to prescribing powerful psychotropic drugs on an out patient process. The media has become increasingly polarized along political extremes. Very little if any honest news organizations exist because it isn't profitable to do any honest reporting of news. Violence in media has increased substantially (video games, TV, Movies and even in radio). You used to get an X rating if you had any nudity or language in movies. With the introduction of cable/satellite tv, the reach of the FCC to control content, and an increased tolerance by consumers for violence and language means violent content is much more prevalent leading to a desensitizing to the violence. The Internet (an with it social media) has created a sense of anonymity to human interactions online. We would almost never say some of the things we say on an internet forum like this to people face to face. This in turn creates the false sense of superiority over people online. Both sides of the political/social spectrum are guilty of this. Also, the term of mass shooting is frequently misused (for political reasons) by the media. More people are killed in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit... etc... on any given weekend that there are with the rare (albeit increasing) occurrence of a mass shooting like the one of El Paso. The only thing that has never changed is the function of a firearm. You could buy an AR-15 and a thousand rounds of ammo for it over mail order and have it delivered to your home with no background checks and no waiting period before the 1968 Firearm act. Yet the number of mass shootings with rifles (or in general) in those days was extremely rare. The problem is/was never about the availability and function of any given type of firearm. This is not true. The .223 was designed to be lightweight and accurate. The ability to carry more ammo was the purpose. Also, one of the complaints about using the .223 'ball' ammo (full metal jacket) in places like Mogadishu was that despite direct hits to the torso the bullet would put a clean hole through the target. The fighters in Mogadishu were hopped up on drugs and it would take 2-3 hits before they would stay down. A lot of the special ops would buy their own hollow points to increase the effectiveness (despite being against the geneva convention). Are hollow points illegal in all USA states? Would an active shooter worry if they were illegal? My understanding that I posted goes back to the Vietnam War. That was right about the time the Forces were switching from the M-14 to the M-16. The M-16 was lighter and so was its ammunition. Its effectiveness was that upon impact the bullet would change course or even fragment causing possible injury to multiple organs. It's ineffectiveness was that the weapon was often used in virtual jungle and if the bullet hit minor brush or a twig it could be knocked off line. The first part of your post I agree with.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: While I'm sure your husband is correct on the last point, the truth is that the very, very, very first thing you should do is take a local gun safety class. They're usually a few hours, and provide you with the basics you need to know about handling a gun; how to hold it, how to store it, how to load it, how to fire it, etc. The class we took ended with them having my wife fire a .22, then a 9mm, then a .40, etc. She didn't need a gun. She just needed to know how to handle the ones I have in the house. Plus, you're in a class with other newbies, so you're in good company. Just a suggestion. ...wonder how many of the murderous preadtors are duly licensed and legal ( I have no idea)?.....OR...what are the legal parameters/requirements to purchase a shotgun or rifle for (alleged) hunting?...are there minimal background checks for those?...not trying to be a smart azz, because I honestly do not know.......gotta believe that if shooters/murderers are 16, 17 , or 18, the "black market easily prevails....so how would THAT be controlled?...good luck.... Edited August 5, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 5, 2019 Posted August 5, 2019 57 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: While I'm sure your husband is correct on the last point, the truth is that the very, very, very first thing you should do is take a local gun safety class. They're usually a few hours, and provide you with the basics you need to know about handling a gun; how to hold it, how to store it, how to load it, how to fire it, etc. The class we took ended with them having my wife fire a .22, then a 9mm, then a .40, etc. She didn't need a gun. She just needed to know how to handle the ones I have in the house. Plus, you're in a class with other newbies, so you're in good company. Just a suggestion. Well, a class is required to get licensed, so if I do it, I would be taking a class.
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