What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[DC Tom]

Just now, Gary M said:

 

Ok, but does that change the findings?

 

Yes, because it was an opinion piece.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Gary M said:

 

Ok, but does that change the findings?

Not peer-reviewed. Those 'findings' are op-eds.

 

 

[Gary M]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Yes, because it was an opinion piece.

 

So I will delete that one and stick with Dr. Lotts findings.

 

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, Gary M said:

 

“despite constant and substantially increasing gun ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions in criminal violence,” write Kates and Mauser. “
 

Anyone else see the irony in a gun study by somebody named Mauser?

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

Anyone else see the irony in a gun study by somebody named Mauser?

Magnum P.I. does.

[Misterbluesky]

Our niece is bringing her Muslim boyfriend to the house on thursday...I'm going to offer him ham more than once and show him a few things at the basement bar.giddy up.

 

he's from Jordan.

A shotgun named Marcus-Clutch

[unbillievable]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Not peer-reviewed. Those 'findings' are op-eds.

 

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

No. Not 'Harvard University', not 'study'. 

 

What if I told you that 97% of gun owners agree? Consensus!

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, Gary M said:

Harvard finds more guns equals less crime.

 

https://www.beliefnet.com/news/articles/harvard-university-study-reveals-astonishing-link.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2ycHZ90ug9hipH1TigJ3O8jeIpzC_HpwD3i86V65ah_8k98Nm4qr_p-qM#0476YusUyLFKPC5z.01

 

Correlation may not equal causality, it also completely misrepresenting the source and the nature of the "study" as another poster pointed out. Onto the correlation point, I am not saying that there is or isn't a positive correlation between gun access/density and crime but rather that the findings might be not accurately looking at the cause of crime vs. the reason laws were enacted. For example if violent crime is increasing in an area or region, that region will enact gun control laws. The Gun control laws were a response to rising crime not the cause of the rising crime. Whereas if crime isn't a major problem in an area then that area won't enact gun control laws. So the safe nature of an area isn't a result of laxer gun laws but rather a byproduct of it. 

 

Crime tends to correlate to relative poverty and lack of opportunity (Which results in single motherhood and a lot of disaffected youth who are the most susceptible to commit crime) above any other factors such as criminal justice and gun control laws. I just don't think gun control or loosening of gun laws correlate that much to general crime.

[DC Tom]

48 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Our niece is bringing her Muslim boyfriend to the house on thursday...I'm going to offer him ham more than once and show him a few things at the basement bar.giddy up.

 

he's from Jordan.

A shotgun named Marcus-Clutch

 

And I'm planning on spending my Thanksgiving not being a complete doucherocket and utterly reprehensible human being.  But hey...good luck with your plan.  

[Misterbluesky]

19 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And I'm planning on spending my Thanksgiving not being a complete doucherocket and utterly reprehensible human being.  But hey...good luck with your plan.  

My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham.

I think once was enough to make your point.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

And I'm planning on spending my Thanksgiving not being a complete doucherocket and utterly reprehensible human being.  But hey...good luck with your plan.  

Turning over a new leaf? The prior Tom would have given the guy stuffing with bacon hidden in it.

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Our niece is bringing her Muslim boyfriend to the house on thursday...I'm going to offer him ham more than once and show him a few things at the basement bar.giddy up.

 

he's from Jordan.

A shotgun named Marcus-Clutch

 

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham.

not for nothing but... it is your nieces Thanksgiving as well. if she loves her uncbluesky, you can bet she sure as hell won't after the, 'my home,myrules' asshattery.

Edited November 21, 2018 by Foxx

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham.

I am an *****.  You're a piece of ***** for this.  

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I am an *****.  You're a piece of ***** for this.  

Conversely, do you tip your cattle when done with them?

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Conversely, do you tip your cattle when done with them?

They get more than the tip

[Kevbeau]

25 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

They get more than the tip

Boyst picks up the 7-10 split!

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

Boyst picks up the 7-10 split!

North Carolina is a little backward. They haven't heard of tipping cows yet.

 

 

[LeviF]

13 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham.

 

12 hours ago, Foxx said:

 

not for nothing but... it is your nieces Thanksgiving as well. if she loves her uncbluesky, you can bet she sure as hell won't after the, 'my home,myrules' asshattery.

 

I'm not a big fan of the "religion" of "peace" myself, but Foxx has a point.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Court: NRA lawsuit against NY Gov Andrew Cuomo over “blacklist” can go forward
 

“the allegations of direct and implied threats to insurers and financial institutions because of these entities’ links with the NRA … are sufficient to make out plausible First Amendment freedom-of-speech claims.”