B-Man Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 VoxVerified account @voxdotcom 30m30 minutes ago In America, crime is not the problem. Guns are. Crime is not the problem ? How do even argue with such stupidity
keepthefaith Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I don't believe there has been any reporting on the actions or status of the armed security guard that was in the Pulse nightclub?
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Crime is not the problem ? How do even argue with such stupidity At least they didn't say pressure cookers or SUVs are the problem.
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Crime is not the problem ? How do even argue with such stupidity It's not stupidity. It's a plan. When you listen to the rhetoric that comes from leftists like gatorman/...lybob, birdog, baskin, etc., they believe in an America that is controlled exclusively by the federal government. What you eat. Where you go. What you're paid. What you drive. How you're educated. How you get a house. On and on. To them, the citizens can not be left to think for themselves, and only the government can make the proper choices for everyone. In their minds, this would be much easier to do if the only people who had guns worked for the federal government.
B-Man Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Well....................here's a question for them. If the Orlando shooter doesn't represent all Muslims, then why does he represent all gun owners?
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Well....................here's a question for them. If the Orlando shooter doesn't represent all Muslims, then why does he represent all gun owners? Because to the left, an unarmed citizenry is an obedient citizenry.
B-Man Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Reminder: The so-called “terrorist watch list” is a clunky, bureaucratic list of hundreds of thousands of people, some who have no links to terrorism at all. But (of course) the dems want to be seen as "doing something" Leading U.S. Senate Democrats discussing how to revive a push for legislation imposing additional gun controls. Especially refusing sales to those on the terror list..................http://reut.rs/21hYCGH #2A We've had this argument. This is just an incremental, "to hell with due process" predictable move by the Left. . Edited June 13, 2016 by B-Man
Dorkington Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 It's interesting watching you guys put so many words in the mouths of collective 'left'. - We have terrorism threats/issues in the US. - We have gun availability issues in the US. - We have gun ownership issues in the US. - We have mental healthcare availability issues in the US. - We have social integration issues in the US. - We have equality issues in the US. - We have security intelligence issues in the US. (and likely more) The most recent attack was a terrorist attack. The most recent attack was a homegrown/lone wolf mass shooting. The most recent attack was a large scale hate crime. This doesn't fit tidily into any one political narrative. We have created for ourselves, an environment that cultivates such events. Not only through our own actions/inactions in our own country, but also our actions/inactions over recent history in other areas of the world. It's up to us to do what it takes to fix this. Unfortunately we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves for political points.
meazza Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 It's interesting watching you guys put so many words in the mouths of collective 'left'. - We have terrorism threats/issues in the US. - We have gun availability issues in the US. - We have gun ownership issues in the US. - We have mental healthcare availability issues in the US. - We have social integration issues in the US. - We have equality issues in the US. - We have security intelligence issues in the US. (and likely more) The most recent attack was a terrorist attack. The most recent attack was a homegrown/lone wolf mass shooting. The most recent attack was a large scale hate crime. This doesn't fit tidily into any one political narrative. We have created for ourselves, an environment that cultivates such events. Not only through our own actions/inactions in our own country, but also our actions/inactions over recent history in other areas of the world. It's up to us to do what it takes to fix this. Unfortunately we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves for political points. And yet this happened in Paris, Tel Aviv, Belgium, Sydney, Ottawa and other examples that don't come to mind right now. So what's the cause for that?
Dorkington Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Mass shootings aren't generally as common in other parts of the developed world. That being said, terrorist attacks are a worry in many parts of the world. Like I said, this is multi faceted. It isn't *just* a terrorist thing, not here anyways. It's not like Muslims are the only ones shooting up people here.
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 It's interesting watching you guys put so many words in the mouths of collective 'left'. - We have terrorism threats/issues in the US. - We have gun availability issues in the US. - We have gun ownership issues in the US. - We have mental healthcare availability issues in the US. - We have social integration issues in the US. - We have equality issues in the US. - We have security intelligence issues in the US. (and likely more) The most recent attack was a terrorist attack. The most recent attack was a homegrown/lone wolf mass shooting. The most recent attack was a large scale hate crime. This doesn't fit tidily into any one political narrative. We have created for ourselves, an environment that cultivates such events. Not only through our own actions/inactions in our own country, but also our actions/inactions over recent history in other areas of the world. It's up to us to do what it takes to fix this. Unfortunately we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves for political points. It's equally interesting watching the left put words in the mouth of the right. Really, the entire country's just getting disgustingly hateful. It's becoming increasingly acceptable to believe that those you disagree with are legitimate targets for violence. That does not bode well for November 8.
meazza Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Mass shootings aren't generally as common in other parts of the developed world. That being said, terrorist attacks are a worry in many parts of the world. Like I said, this is multi faceted. It isn't *just* a terrorist thing, not here anyways. It's not like Muslims are the only ones shooting up people here. I agree with you but it doesn't really help the situation to bunch them together. IMHO this is completely different from mass shootings. It's equally interesting watching the left put words in the mouth of the right. Really, the entire country's just getting disgustingly hateful. It's becoming increasingly acceptable to believe that those you disagree with are legitimate targets for violence. That does not bode well for November 8. Bingo.
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 IMHO this is completely different from mass shootings. Not really. Hateful guy feels disempowered and decides to take it out on a group whose representatives pissed him off. It's a pretty typical mass shooting, actually. The biggest difference is that this one hits SO many hot-button political issues all at once - gays, guns, Islam, national security, Right vs. Left bigotry.
Dorkington Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 It's equally interesting watching the left put words in the mouth of the right. Really, the entire country's just getting disgustingly hateful. It's becoming increasingly acceptable to believe that those you disagree with are legitimate targets for violence. That does not bode well for November 8. I agree with all of this. Not really. Hateful guy feels disempowered and decides to take it out on a group whose representatives pissed him off. It's a pretty typical mass shooting, actually. The biggest difference is that this one hits SO many hot-button political issues all at once - gays, guns, Islam, national security, Right vs. Left bigotry. And again.
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 It's interesting watching you guys put so many words in the mouths of collective 'left'. Ummm, the political left has been putting labels on people and bundling them together as "part of the problem" for years. What you're watching, whether it's proper or not, is the political right returning the favor. It's pretty much my favorite part of watching politics right now: the right is treating the left as the left has treated the right for years, and there aren't enough adult diapers available to keep the left from soiling themselves all day. It's hysterical.
What a Tuel Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Not only through our own actions/inactions in our own country, but also our actions/inactions over recent history in other areas of the world. It's up to us to do what it takes to fix this. Unfortunately we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves for political points. So what does it take to fix this?
meazza Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 So what does it take to fix this? A major war. Like Clemenza said, sometimes you need a war to let out the bad blood.
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 A major war. Like Clemenza said, sometimes you need a war to let out the bad blood. Wars are the cause of more bad blood than the solution of it. Even in The Godfather. Especially in The Godfather.
/dev/null Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 A major war. Like Clemenza said, sometimes you need a war to let out the bad blood. You think this is like the Army where you shoot them a mile away? No, you gotta get up close and BaddaBing! You blow their brains all over your nice North Face jacket
meazza Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Wars are the cause of more bad blood than the solution of it. Even in The Godfather. Especially in The Godfather. It's great for Tom Hanks though.
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