DC Tom Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, Gary M said: Ok, but does that change the findings? Yes, because it was an opinion piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, Gary M said: Ok, but does that change the findings? Not peer-reviewed. Those 'findings' are op-eds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Yes, because it was an opinion piece. So I will delete that one and stick with Dr. Lotts findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Gary M said: “despite constant and substantially increasing gun ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions in criminal violence,” write Kates and Mauser. “ Anyone else see the irony in a gun study by somebody named Mauser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Anyone else see the irony in a gun study by somebody named Mauser? Magnum P.I. does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Our niece is bringing her Muslim boyfriend to the house on thursday...I'm going to offer him ham more than once and show him a few things at the basement bar.giddy up. he's from Jordan. A shotgun named Marcus-Clutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Not peer-reviewed. Those 'findings' are op-eds. 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: No. Not 'Harvard University', not 'study'. What if I told you that 97% of gun owners agree? Consensus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Gary M said: Harvard finds more guns equals less crime. https://www.beliefnet.com/news/articles/harvard-university-study-reveals-astonishing-link.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2ycHZ90ug9hipH1TigJ3O8jeIpzC_HpwD3i86V65ah_8k98Nm4qr_p-qM#0476YusUyLFKPC5z.01 Correlation may not equal causality, it also completely misrepresenting the source and the nature of the "study" as another poster pointed out. Onto the correlation point, I am not saying that there is or isn't a positive correlation between gun access/density and crime but rather that the findings might be not accurately looking at the cause of crime vs. the reason laws were enacted. For example if violent crime is increasing in an area or region, that region will enact gun control laws. The Gun control laws were a response to rising crime not the cause of the rising crime. Whereas if crime isn't a major problem in an area then that area won't enact gun control laws. So the safe nature of an area isn't a result of laxer gun laws but rather a byproduct of it. Crime tends to correlate to relative poverty and lack of opportunity (Which results in single motherhood and a lot of disaffected youth who are the most susceptible to commit crime) above any other factors such as criminal justice and gun control laws. I just don't think gun control or loosening of gun laws correlate that much to general crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Our niece is bringing her Muslim boyfriend to the house on thursday...I'm going to offer him ham more than once and show him a few things at the basement bar.giddy up. he's from Jordan. A shotgun named Marcus-Clutch And I'm planning on spending my Thanksgiving not being a complete doucherocket and utterly reprehensible human being. But hey...good luck with your plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And I'm planning on spending my Thanksgiving not being a complete doucherocket and utterly reprehensible human being. But hey...good luck with your plan. My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham. I think once was enough to make your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: And I'm planning on spending my Thanksgiving not being a complete doucherocket and utterly reprehensible human being. But hey...good luck with your plan. Turning over a new leaf? The prior Tom would have given the guy stuffing with bacon hidden in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Our niece is bringing her Muslim boyfriend to the house on thursday...I'm going to offer him ham more than once and show him a few things at the basement bar.giddy up. he's from Jordan. A shotgun named Marcus-Clutch 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham. not for nothing but... it is your nieces Thanksgiving as well. if she loves her uncbluesky, you can bet she sure as hell won't after the, 'my home,myrules' asshattery. Edited November 21, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham. I am an *****. You're a piece of ***** for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: I am an *****. You're a piece of ***** for this. Conversely, do you tip your cattle when done with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Conversely, do you tip your cattle when done with them? They get more than the tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: They get more than the tip Boyst picks up the 7-10 split! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kevbeau said: Boyst picks up the 7-10 split! North Carolina is a little backward. They haven't heard of tipping cows yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: My home,my rules.The ham will be placed in front of him,and he's going to smell the ham. 12 hours ago, Foxx said: not for nothing but... it is your nieces Thanksgiving as well. if she loves her uncbluesky, you can bet she sure as hell won't after the, 'my home,myrules' asshattery. I'm not a big fan of the "religion" of "peace" myself, but Foxx has a point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Court: NRA lawsuit against NY Gov Andrew Cuomo over “blacklist” can go forward “the allegations of direct and implied threats to insurers and financial institutions because of these entities’ links with the NRA … are sufficient to make out plausible First Amendment freedom-of-speech claims.” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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