Rocky Landing Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Maybe I'm still a little allergic to the no-huddle since Jauron's disastrous attempts. But, I'm a little wary of Hackett's plans for a no-huddle offense. I do believe we have the front line for it. An effective no-huddle, imo, requires giving the QB time in the pocket. I suspect EJ will have that. But, I also think that an effective no-huddle requires a lot more experience-- not just under center, but in our receivers, as well. We've given EJ a lot of weapons to succeed (hopefully, including protection). I just hope that the pace of a no-huddle isn't setting him up for failure. Thoughts?
Captain Hindsight Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 More plays, more opportunities. Run as many as you can
K-9 Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I don't mind the no huddle at all. I'd would like to see us vary the pace, however. Much easier to catch the defense leaning the wrong way when you do that. Slowing the pace may actually allow the D to get a subpackage on the field that you like to match up against and speeding it up keeps that personnel on the field. OLine is key and EJ has to have TOTAL command of the situation. GO BILLS!!!
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 It's a double edge sword. The more plays they run the better. At the same time, going 3 and out in a minute isn't doing our defense any favors. If they find a way to run the no huddle effectively them yes. If they don't have it working by the 3rd game I say they slow it down.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I would like to see them employ it as needed. I think the genius of how this offense has been constructed (at least on paper) is its versatility. Jackson, Spiller and Brown combined with the beef up front means the Bills can slow it down and pound the rock whenever they need to. But the talents of SWAT, Williams, Goodwin and Woods, the Bills can also open it up, spread the field and play speed ball. Football is about the match ups, I think having the ability to go no huddle for an entire game or being able to deploy a ground and pound game plan any given week can be a weapon. It would keep defenses off guard and play to the Bills' strengths and their opponents' weaknesses.
Gugny Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I like the no huddle ... when it's appropriate. We shouldn't be married to it. If it's not being effective, abandon it. When it's effective, it tires the opposing defense. When it's ineffective, it tires OUR defense. And if we are up by 2 scores or more, don't use the no huddle. Kill the clock. I'd just like to see them be smart about it. If used properly, I love it.
uncle flap Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 No-huddle ≠ Hurry up They can run no-huddle the entire game. The key is getting to the line quickly, but there's no reason they need to snap the ball right away.
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) No-huddle ≠ Hurry up They can run no-huddle the entire game. The key is getting to the line quickly, but there's no reason they need to snap the ball right away. The no huddle is designed to be a hurry up offense. You're right in what you said but I believe the bills average something around 21 seconds between plays last year which was the fastest in the nfl last season. It's true, hurry up is a faster offense but they ran the no huddle with a hurry up mentality. Edited July 12, 2014 by The Wiz
frogger Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I don't like no huddle for the sake of no huddle. I like switching it up. After a successful play, run up to the line or when you see a clear advantage, but sometimes huddle.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 The no-huddle should be used sometimes. An offense completely devoted to it is foolish IMO. An offense should change pace as the defense adjusts. Keep them on their heels. You need to be nearly unstoppable on offense to run the no-huddle full time.
uncle flap Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 The no huddle is designed to be a hurry up offense. You're right in what you said but I believe the bills average something around 21 seconds between plays last year which was the fastest in the nfl last season. It's true, hurry up is a faster offense but they ran the no huddle with a hurry up mentality. Oh I realize that- I just thought it was worth mentioning that they don't have to hurry while running a no-huddle. I think that with their personnel and their packages, they should push the pace the majority of the time. I also think that people wouldn't be so critical of the no-huddle if we had seen better execution last year. Moving the chains and putting up points are the most important things, regardless of the tempo. You need to be nearly unstoppable on offense to run the no-huddle full time. I'm glad that this is what the Bills are aspiring to do- be unstoppable. Quite a far cry from Jauron's "play not to lose" mentality.
Gugny Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 If I think of "hurry up" and/or "no huddle" offenses, I immediately think of two QBs. Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning. I love me some EJ, but ... ... there's a reason not many teams exclusively use a hurry up offense.
Mark Vader Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 I'd prefer to see a more methodical approach in our offense. Use the no-huddle, only when necessary.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 If I think of "hurry up" and/or "no huddle" offenses, I immediately think of two QBs. Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning. I love me some EJ, but ... ... there's a reason not many teams exclusively use a hurry up offense. That's a bingo!! You design your offense around your QB...not your QB around your offense.
machine gun kelly Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 It's not that simple. It depends on the team we play, their strengths, and what we are doing well in that game. A variable tempo makes more sense and knowing when and how to effectively go back and forth. Someone mentioned Kelly and Manning. Brady is one of the best at it, but you don't see the Pats doing it for an entire game. An easy example is why the hell did we maintain the no huddle up tempo offense at the end of our home opener when we were up? Why did we not bleed off time and make it very difficult to have Brady go all the way down the field. I saw Hackett improve with his scheming later in the year. When we do run an up tempo offense we need to ensure a lot of running designed plays, and vary the formations more. I would have loved to se us go to a spread when we run Spiller or Brown out there vs. big packages with FJ and Dixon. I'd rather see us run a much slower ground and pound at different times in some games. The downside of the no huddle is of you don't move the chains as we didn't last year, we gased out our defense, hence why they were 10th vs. much higher. Hackett needs to take a step forward in game planning and maturing in his approach with being more adaptive.
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 That's a bingo!! You design your offense around your QB...not your QB around your offense. With the qb carousel we had last season, we can only hope hackett figured that out. I think EJ was fine in it, but the others struggled.
Captain Hindsight Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 If I think of "hurry up" and/or "no huddle" offenses, I immediately think of two QBs. Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning. I love me some EJ, but ... ... there's a reason not many teams exclusively use a hurry up offense. By the same token though it makes it easier for the QB to get into a rhythm and for the defense has less time to show exotic fronts
#34fan Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 With the qb carousel we had last season, we can only hope hackett figured that out. I think EJ was fine in it, but the others struggled. A no-huddle offense requires a no-huddle QB. EJ hasn't shown he can consistently execute those kind of plays at the pro level. How great would it be if this staff worked on re-establishing the RUN? With all this talk about the NFL turning into a "passing league" a throwback offense might be just what the doctor ordered.
The Wiz Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 A no-huddle offense requires a no-huddle QB. EJ hasn't shown he can consistently execute those kind of plays at the pro level. How great would it be if this staff worked on re-establishing the RUN? With all this talk about the NFL turning into a "passing league" a throwback offense might be just what the doctor ordered. EJ hasn't shown his full potential yet so ruling him out is premature. I don't know if he can but 10 games isn't enough for me to say he's "this type of" qb.
Green Lightning Posted July 13, 2014 Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Do I like the no-huddle? In the immortal words of T.O. - "no, not really." Use it to change up once they establish the power running game we all imagine Doug & Nat are building. EJ hasn't shown his full potential yet so ruling him out is premature. I don't know if he can but 10 games isn't enough for me to say he's "this type of" qb. Maybe, but EJ hasn't shown much when it comes to making fast reads of the D. Edited July 13, 2014 by Green Lightning
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