B-Man Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Geesh, I sure hope this is not true: http://www.conservat...t-building-idf/ Hamas hanging children on buildings in an attempt to not get them bombed? Looks like a joke, I hope it is not true. No. That's false, propaganda crap. There's overwhelming evidence that Hamas is using homes, schools, and populated areas to hide their missiles.............you don't need to make stuff up like this bogus picture .
3rdnlng Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Geesh, I sure hope this is not true: http://www.conservat...t-building-idf/ Hamas hanging children on buildings in an attempt to not get them bombed? Looks like a joke, I hope it is not true. So, let's take a look at the picture: What do you think? Fake or not?
Security Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 So, let's take a look at the picture: What do you think? Fake or not? Like I said, I SURE HOPE THEY ARE FAKE, and it looks like a joke. That is what I said.
3rdnlng Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Like I said, I SURE HOPE THEY ARE FAKE, and it looks like a joke. That is what I said. What's your point? I'm asking the board what they think. I have my own opinion but I'd like to see other peoples opinions too.
Bronc24 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 What's your point? I'm asking the board what they think. I have my own opinion but I'd like to see other peoples opinions too. Honestly, it looks like a father punishing his kids. Nothing more.
Keukasmallies Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 So if Hamas uses schools, mosques, other public buildings and tunnels as hiding places for weapon storage and rocket assembly, the humane thing for the Israelis to do is target some wadi in the desert, or perhaps an abandoned car along a deserted road? Yeah, maybe not so much; this is a country protecting itself from invaders, not an application of the Obama Doctrine of line drawing.
KD in CA Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Hot for angry 'Palestinian Journalist': http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/23/rula-jebreal-msnbc-palestine_n_5614177.html
meazza Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Hot for angry 'Palestinian Journalist': http://www.huffingto..._n_5614177.html She's ridiculous but all pro-Palestinian reporters seem to pull out ridiculous arguments.
birdog1960 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Hot for angry 'Palestinian Journalist': http://www.huffingto..._n_5614177.html her argument was much more convincing than her opponents. she's absolutely correct about how this conflict is repeatedly presented: "israel is minding it's own business and ever few years the palestinians decide to fire rockets at them". the same false story has been repeated in this thread multiple times.
meazza Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 her argument was much more convincing than her opponents. she's absolutely correct about how this conflict is repeatedly presented: "israel is minding it's own business and ever few years the palestinians decide to fire rockets at them". the same false story has been repeated in this thread multiple times. So what actually happened?
birdog1960 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 So what actually happened? occupation resulting in widespread poverty and misery doesn't qualify as minding your own business.
meazza Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 occupation resulting in widespread poverty and misery doesn't qualify as minding your own business. The West Bank is occupied yet the rockets come from Gaza. Care to elaborate Dr?
birdog1960 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 The West Bank is occupied yet the rockets come from Gaza. Care to elaborate Dr? so what? the point is that the us media rarely illuminates the oppression that israel inflicts as a background for the attacks. european media is generally much more forthcoming on this issue as the journalist stated. the context is important. were there not huge demonstrations in the west bank recently in support of gaza and against the israeli's recently? are you trying to say that they like being occupied? perhaps they see the futility of fighting a surrogate american military with woefully inadequate weapons. doesn't matter. the point is about biased media coverage.
meazza Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 so what? the point is that the us media rarely illuminates the oppression that israel inflicts as a background for the attacks. european media is generally much more forthcoming on this issue as the journalist stated. the context is important. were there not huge demonstrations in the west bank recently in support of gaza and against the israeli's recently? are you trying to say that they like being occupied? perhaps they see the futility of fighting a surrogate american military with woefully inadequate weapons. doesn't matter. the point is about biased media coverage. Everyone and their sister know that the West Bank is occupied. Every article I read about mentions that over 1800 Palestinian's are dead including 70% civilians (off memory) and many children. Everyone knows that Gaza is shooting rockets into Israel and Israel responds with F-16's pounding Hamas targets. So if everyone knows this, where is the coverage lacking? I don't get why people expect a both sides argument when there isn't really two sides. Hamas is foolish, the citizens of the West Bank aren't. Sure let's give Hamas more air time. !@#$ this ****. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/wolf-blitzer-confronts-hamas-spox-for-his-disturbing-blood-libel-remarks/
birdog1960 Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Everyone and their sister know that the West Bank is occupied. Every article I read about mentions that over 1800 Palestinian's are dead including 70% civilians (off memory) and many children. Everyone knows that Gaza is shooting rockets into Israel and Israel responds with F-16's pounding Hamas targets. So if everyone knows this, where is the coverage lacking? I don't get why people expect a both sides argument when there isn't really two sides. Hamas is foolish, the citizens of the West Bank aren't. but the west bank is still occupied and how many stories do you see about the inhabitants oppression from the israelis?both the west bank and gaza people are desperate. there's not much coverage on the reason behind that. what's the avg per capita income in gaza ? in israel? how bout comparison's of life expectancy? the wars and the atrocities associated are the symptoms. the oppression is the disease. and it's rarely covered from the palestinian prospective.
B-Man Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Those darn right-wingers..................................oh wait . Bill Clinton: Hamas Deliberately Causes Civilian Deaths For International PR Points. “How could the people in Gaza, who started rocketing Israel, think that it was OK to use international aid money to dig tunnels to increase their ability to destabilize the region and kill people?” Clinton told about 150 Trib Total Media employees at the memorial service at Scaife’s boyhood home in Ligonier. Israeli officials list the destruction of the tunnels, which Hamas has used for a series of incursions into Israel, as a chief objective of the 26-day-old war in Gaza. . . . Clinton blamed the rising civilian death toll on Hamas as well, saying they deliberately placed munitions where civilians seek shelter, then use their deaths to foment international anti-Israeli sentiment. “How could they put rockets in a school to follow a deliberate strategy to force the deaths of their own civilians so as to make Israel look bad in the world?” Clinton said. They do it because much of the world press, and much of the world, happily plays along. .............But here’s a thought: If Hamas got its way in Gaza, it would look a lot like the Islamic State in Iraq. If Israel got its way, Gaza would look a lot like Santa Monica. Just sayin’ . . . .
meazza Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 but the west bank is still occupied and how many stories do you see about the inhabitants oppression from the israelis?both the west bank and gaza people are desperate. there's not much coverage on the reason behind that. what's the avg per capita income in gaza ? in israel? how bout comparison's of life expectancy? the wars and the atrocities associated are the symptoms. the oppression is the disease. and it's rarely covered from the palestinian prospective. And yet once again, there are 2 million Arabs in Israel (one who decided to try and smash a bus and killed one person today) who live comfortable middle class lives so maybe you could stop the BS and realize Israel isn't the problem but the scapegoat for incompetent leadership? Yeah, go for the easy answer.
meazza Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/outside-edge/.premium-1.608894 Netanyahu gave us a peek beneath the surface of the shifting diplomatic landscape on Saturday night when he referred to the unprecedented regional backing for Israel's move against Hamas, calling it a “very important asset." He was referring to the deafening silence in the Arab world for the past month, where criticism of Israel has been muted – and matched by criticism of Hamas. Sissi's Egypt has clearly sided with Israel, destroying tunnels under Rafah and cutting off the flow of arms and cash to Hamas. Saudi Arabia is quietly backing the Egyptians. On Friday, King Abdullah condemned Israeli actions but also denounced the "shameful and disgraceful terrorists ... trying to hijack Islam and present it to the world as a religion of extremism, hatred, and terrorism." The quiescence of the moderate Arab world, which sees in Hamas an extension of Iranian influence that threatens them as much as it threatens Israel, could create the conditions for a historic diplomatic reboot. “At the end of the battle and the operation, it will open many new possibilities for us,” Netanyahu said, referring to the silent support of the Egyptians, Saudis and their allies. The tacit approval for the destruction of Hamas extends to the Palestinian Authority, where President Mahmoud Abbas has insisted that the unity agreement signed earlier this year must involve the dismantling of Iz al-Din al-Qassam, the armed wing of Hamas. Abbas’s frustration with the Hamas militia boiled over in public as the Israeli air attacks began, when he blamed Hamas, not Israel, for the rising tensions. “What are you trying to achieve by sending rockets?” Abbas asked in remarks broadcast by Palestine TV in early July. “We prefer to fight with wisdom and politics." “It’s not important who wins or loses,” he said. “What’s important is to end this bloodshed." Aside from issuing some low-key, pro-forma denunciations of Israeli actions in Gaza, Abbas’s government has been almost mute. ... That creates a new range of options for Israel once the fighting ends. But Netanyahu must also consider his domestic constituency. Before sending in the troops, Netanyahu knew that two of his predecessors, Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, were driven from office after failed military operations against the Palestinians and Hezbollah. In a poll of Jewish Israelis conducted last week by Dr. Yuval Feinstein at the Sociology Department of Haifa University, 86% of respondents said the only reason for ending hostilities would be the complete cessation of rocket fire. 85% said the fighting must not end before the Hamas tunnel network is permanently decommissioned. 51% said the aim of the operation should be the overthrow of the Hamas regime in Gaza. Without a long-term diplomatic solution, any and all of these will be hard to achieve. The next round will only be a matter of time. If Netanyahu is seen to agree to a ceasefire now when the Israeli public believes that the job is only half done, that the Hamas military infrastructure is still in place, then he will be perceived as having been defeated and not having scored a decisive victory against Hamas. He knows that he would be facing almost certain defeat at the polls in the next election if he is perceived as not having finished the job. But if Netanyahu can leverage a pullout from Gaza by creating a historic opportunity for peace, he might transcend the narrow interests of his party and win the support of the majority of Israelis who still want to see a viable two-state solution to the conflict with the Palestinians. Once Israel has destroyed Hamas's military capability - primarily the tunnels and rockets – logic suggests that Israel has two options: either withdraw and wait for the next round, or reoccupy Gaza. But there is a third way, endorsed last week by Maj. Gen. (ret.) Israel Ziv, former head of the IDF Operations Directorate. That would be to use the current diplomatic climate as a launchpad for a new diplomatic initiative.
Taro T Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 but the west bank is still occupied and how many stories do you see about the inhabitants oppression from the israelis?both the west bank and gaza people are desperate. there's not much coverage on the reason behind that. what's the avg per capita income in gaza ? in israel? how bout comparison's of life expectancy? the wars and the atrocities associated are the symptoms. the oppression is the disease. and it's rarely covered from the palestinian prospective. I asked this of one of the other anti-Semites but got no answer. Lots of reports of tunnels under Gaza; not many (any?) reports of bomb shelters there. Why is that?
DC Tom Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 So what actually happened? Hamas fires rockets at Israel repeatedly; every so often Israel gets pissed off and responds, and Hamas gets to look like the victim.
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