truth on hold Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Three days. They gave them three whole days. You quoted that statement in my post. I almost can't keep this up. You're arguing things refuted in the article you posted. You either hate the Jews or have a learning disability. Israel-Gaza conflict: 'We told you to evacuate the school,' says Israel. 'No you didn’t,' says UN Yusuf al-Shinwari had become increasingly anxious about the military strikes near the UN school where he and his family had taken refuge. He was hugely relieved when the call came to evacuate. But, before that could happen, the building was hit by shellfire, leaving five members of his family dead. The 13 year old boy is in hospital with serious leg injuries. He has lost his mother Felastin, 36, brothers Ali and Abid, aged 10 and 17, sister Mariam, 14, and aunt Fatima, 48. His 15 year old sister, Manor, had to have both her legs amputated and a cousin, Ikran, 23, has suffered severe head injuries. “We were all sitting together around a table in the playground outside, we wanted to leave as soon as possible; we were waiting for the buses. There were three, four explosions, I was thrown and fell. I heard about my brothers, sisters later,” he said. The Israelis also said that the UN had been provided with a window to carry out an evacuation. It said, in another tweet: “Last night, we told Red Cross to evacuate civilians from UNRWA’s shelter in Beit Hanoun btw 10am & 2pm. UNRWA & Red Cross got the message.” The reason this was not used, according to the military, was that “Hamas prevented civilians from evacuating the area during the window that we gave them.” This has been denied by the UN, the Red Cross and Hamas. http://www.independe...un-9629862.html Edited July 26, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
3rdnlng Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Open Letter to President Obama from Norwegian Doctor in Gaza "The last night was extreme. The “ground invasion” of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying... All sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent. The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza’s hospitals are working 12 to 24 hour shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment in Shifa for the last four months). They care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. Humans! Now, once more treated like animals by “the most moral army in the world” [sic!]. Mr Obama – do you have a heart? I invite you – spend one night – just one night – with us in Shifa. I am convinced, 100 per cent, it would change history. Nobody with a heart and power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people. Please. Do what you can. This cannot continue." http://www.independe...al-9617586.html That "open letter" needs to get forwarded to Hamas.
truth on hold Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) That "open letter" needs to get forwarded to Hamas. It Turns Out Hamas Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All When the bodies of three Israeli teenagers, kidnapped in the West Bank, were found late last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not mince words. "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay," he said, initiating a campaign that eventually escalated into the present conflict in the region. But now, officials admit the kidnappings were not Hamas's handiwork after all. http://nymag.com/dai...d=twitter_nymag Edited July 26, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
3rdnlng Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 It Turns Out Hamas Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All When the bodies of three Israeli teenagers, kidnapped in the West Bank, were found late last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not mince words. "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay," he said, initiating a campaign that eventually escalated into the present conflict in the region. But now, officials admit the kidnappings were not Hamas's handiwork after all. http://nymag.com/dai...d=twitter_nymag That is a bullschit article that doesn't say what you stated. When one must make things up to support their case there is no case.
B-Man Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) It Turns Out Hamas Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All When the bodies of three Israeli teenagers, kidnapped in the West Bank, were found late last month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not mince words. "Hamas is responsible, and Hamas will pay," he said, initiating a campaign that eventually escalated into the present conflict in the region. But now, officials admit the kidnappings were not Hamas's handiwork after all. http://nymag.com/dai...d=twitter_nymag Well, I read the entire article...................and nothing in it supports that headline. It's just speculation of "why would they do it?"............none of the imbedded links add to that conclusion either. I await the story that Hamas was actually not responsible in the Associated Press, NYT, WaPo, Fox, CNN, etc. . Edit:I googled "Israel states it was a lone cell" and all you get is the same supposition at Daily Kos. . Edited July 26, 2014 by B-Man
truth on hold Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Well, I read the entire article...................and nothing in it supports that headline. It's just speculation of "why would they do it?"............none of the imbedded links add to that conclusion either. I await the story that Hamas was actually not responsible in the Associated Press, NYT, WaPo, Fox, CNN, etc. . So now nearly 1,000 have been killed on the allegation hamas was responsible. And not a single shred of evidence was presented by your boy netanyahu. Don't you think when that many have been killed - 40 of which israeli - some damning f@ing proof would be out there ?!??!!
B-Man Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 So now nearly 1,000 have been killed on the allegation hamas was responsible. And not a single shred of evidence was presented by your boy netanyahu. Don't you think when that many have been killed - 40 of which israeli - some damning f@ing proof would be out there ?!??!! Joe.........your 'logic' is slipping one word...........................rockets .
truth on hold Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Gotta love that "only democracy" .... Human rights ad listing dead Gaza children barred from Israeli radio Pro-Palestinian human rights group B’Tselem is lodging an appeal to the top Israeli court, after its paid-for announcement – which was simply a list of killed Palestinian youths – was rejected by Israel’s media regulator for being too "political". "IBA (Israeli Broadcasting Authority) says broadcasting the children's names is politically controversial. But refusing to do so is in itself a far-reaching statement – it says the huge price being paid by civilians in Gaza, many of them children, must be censored," said a statement from B’Tselem. "Is it controversial that the children [aren't] alive? That they're children? That those are their names? These are facts that we wish to bring to the public's knowledge." http://rt.com/news/175364-gaza-children-ban-radio/ Edited July 26, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
B-Man Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Kerry's latest cease-fire plan: What was he thinking? The press conference U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry convened together with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shukry was one of Kerry's most embarrassing incidents since taking office. And there were quite a few in the last year and a half. A few hours before the press conference began, the Israeli security cabinet ministers unanimously rejected Kerry's cease-fire plan draft. Kerry, as is his wont, seemed and sounded as if he came from a parallel universe. He claimed to have never presented Israel with a formal offer for a cease-fire, slammed the Israeli media's "mischievous reports" and promised that Netanyahu's office will issue a clarification. As if that wasn't enough, Kerry claimed he made significant progress in the cease-fire talks and said, deadpan, that the disagreements with Israel are purely on matters of terminology. Reality, of course, was completely different. If anything happened on Friday it was another deep crisis in trust between Israeli senior cabinet members and the American secretary of state. The draft Kerry passed to Israel on Friday shocked the cabinet ministers not only because it was the opposite of what Kerry told them less than 24 hours earlier, but mostly because it might as well have been penned by Khaled Meshal. It was everything Hamas could have hoped for. The document recognized Hamas' position in the Gaza Strip, promised the organization billions in donation funds and demanded no dismantling of rockets, tunnels or other heavy weaponry at Hamas' disposal. The document placed Israel and Hamas on the same level, as if the first is not a primary U.S. ally and as if the second isn't a terror group which overtook part of the Palestinian Authority in a military coup and fired thousands of rockets at Israel. On Saturday, the State Department distributed photos of Kerry's meeting with Qatar and Turkey's foreign ministers in Paris. The three appear jovial and happy-go-lucky. Other photographs show Kerry carousing romantically with the Turkish foreign minister in the pastoral grounds of the U.S. ambassador's home in Paris, as if the Turkish official's prime minister didn't just say a few days ago that Israel is 10 times worse than Hitler. The secretary of state's draft empowered the most radical and problematic elements in the region – Qatar, Turkey, and Hamas – and was a slap on the face to the rapidly forming camp of Egypt, Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, who have many shared interests. What Kerry's draft spells for the internal Palestinian political arena is even direr: It crowns Hamas and issues Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas with a death warrant. More at the link: http://www.haaretz.c...71E1E0AC73F54CC Why, it's almost like John Kerry isn't very good at his job .
DC Tom Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Why, it's almost like John Kerry isn't very good at his job . So far, the only country that's accepted Kerry's cease-fire plan is France. Hamas won't accept it, because one of their preconditions to even listening is that Israel lift not only their blockade of Gaza, but Egypt's as well. That's right...Hamas will continue to attack Israel until Egypt cries uncle. Good luck with that mess, Kerry.
truth on hold Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Great article... “Israel is addicted to occupation” — Gideon Levy Israelis react the way they do due to years of dehumanisation of Palestinians. This is the basic tool they use to continue the occupation without having any moral doubts. The News on Sunday (TNS): Why is Israel doing what it is doing? Gideon Levy (GL): Israel wants to maintain the status quo — namely West Bank will be occupied, Gaza will be under siege and life in Israel will be peaceful. This is impossible. And life in Israel stopped being peaceful with the rockets falling into many cities and towns in Israel. And Israel found it suitable to react with massive bombing from the air and then from the ground operation. But those rockets did not fall from the sky for nothing because, you must know, the context – and, the context is that a few months ago Israel stopped the so-called peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas after kidnapping and murder of three young Israelis in the West Bank. Israel declared war on Hamas in the West Bank. Israel arrested about 500 Hamas activists who had nothing to do with kidnapping and murder. Israel stopped the salaries of about 40,000 employees in Gaza and Israel also declared that it is objecting to the unity government of Palestine. All this is the background to the present confrontation. http://tns.thenews.com.pk/israel-addicted-palestinian-occupation/#.U9S5n6iwqaw Edited July 27, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
3rdnlng Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Great article... "Israel is addicted to occupation" — Gideon Levy Israelis react the way they do due to years of dehumanisation of Palestinians. This is the basic tool they use to continue the occupation without having any moral doubts. The News on Sunday (TNS): Why is Israel doing what it is doing? Gideon Levy (GL): Israel wants to maintain the status quo — namely West Bank will be occupied, Gaza will be under siege and life in Israel will be peaceful. This is impossible. And life in Israel stopped being peaceful with the rockets falling into many cities and towns in Israel. And Israel found it suitable to react with massive bombing from the air and then from the ground operation. But those rockets did not fall from the sky for nothing because, you must know, the context – and, the context is that a few months ago Israel stopped the so-called peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas after kidnapping and murder of three young Israelis in the West Bank. Israel declared war on Hamas in the West Bank. Israel arrested about 500 Hamas activists who had nothing to do with kidnapping and murder. Israel stopped the salaries of about 40,000 employees in Gaza and Israel also declared that it is objecting to the unity government of Palestine. All this is the background to the present confrontation. http://tns.thenews.c...n/#.U9S5n6iwqaw I didn't open your link because your previous links have shown you have no credibility.
B-Man Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Great article... "Israel is addicted to occupation" — Gideon Levy http://tns.thenews.c...n/#.U9S5n6iwqaw Well, I read it. It is an interview with Gideon Levy, veteran Israeli journalist and author of Punishment of Gaza. He offers his opinions (and facts) and it should be read in that light. . Added: Good news Hamas agrees to daylong cease-fire after Israel resumes offensive http://www.cnn.com/2...isis/index.html Edited July 27, 2014 by B-Man
DC Tom Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 This is all Hitlers fault. Not all his fault, but he was a big supporter of Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine.
truth on hold Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) you Israel cheerleaders think you're cute echoing the talking points of a devil like Netanyahu, but do you realize the death toll among IDF soldiers is something like 4x the last incursion? This man and his made up Hamas-sponsored kidnapping, has both Arab and Jewish blood on his hands. Just look at the ages of IDF casualties, mostly late teens/early 20's ... not much beyond being kids themselves 1. Dror Khenin, 37, killed near Erez crossing. 2. Eitan Barak, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 3. Ouda el-Waj, killed by rocket, Bedouin community near Dimona. 4. Bar Rahav, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 5. Bnaya Rubel, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 6. Adar Barsano, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 7. Amotz Greenberg, 45, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 8. Oren Simcha Noach, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 9. Ben Itzhak Oanouno, 19, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 10. Daniel Pomerantz, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 11. Shon Mondshine, 19, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 12. Shachar Tase, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 13. Max Steinberg, 24, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 14. Tzafrir Baror, 32, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 15. Tsvi Kaplan, 28, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 16. Gilad Rozenthal Yacoby, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 17. Oz Mendelovich, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 18. Nissim Sean Carmeli, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 19. Moshe Malko, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 20. Jordan Bensemhoun, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 21. Yuval Dagan, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 22. Tal Ifrach, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 23. Nadav Goldmacher, 23, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 24. Yuval Haiman, 21, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 25. Bayhesain Kshaun, 39, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 26. Dolev Keidar, 38, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 27. Oded Ben Sira, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 28. Ohad Shemesh, 27, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 29. Avitar Moshe Torjamin, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 30. Dmitri Levitas, 26, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 31. Natan Cohen, 23, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 32. Paz Elyahu, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 33. Li Mat, 19, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 34. Shahar Dauber, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 35. Narakorn Kitiyangkul, 36, Thai worker, killed by rocket fired from Gaza. 36. Guy Boyland, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 37. Barak Refael Degorker, 27, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 38, Liad Lavi, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 39. Rami Chalon, 39, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 40. Amit Yeori, 20, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 41. Guy Levy, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 42. Roy Peles, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 43. Avraham Grintzvaig, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 44. Gal Bason, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 45. Oron Shaul, 22, Israeli soldier first declared MIA, now found to be killed in Gaza. http://www.buzzfeed....a-and-israel-si Edited July 28, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
3rdnlng Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 you Israel cheerleaders think you're cute echoing the talking points of a devil like Netanyahu, but do you realize the death toll among IDF soldiers is something like 4x the last incursion? This man and his made up Hamas-sponsored kidnapping, has both Arab and Jewish blood on his hands. Just look at the ages of IDF casualties, mostly late teens/early 20's ... not much beyond being kids themselves 1. Dror Khenin, 37, killed near Erez crossing. 2. Eitan Barak, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 3. Ouda el-Waj, killed by rocket, Bedouin community near Dimona. 4. Bar Rahav, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 5. Bnaya Rubel, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 6. Adar Barsano, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 7. Amotz Greenberg, 45, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 8. Oren Simcha Noach, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 9. Ben Itzhak Oanouno, 19, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 10. Daniel Pomerantz, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 11. Shon Mondshine, 19, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 12. Shachar Tase, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 13. Max Steinberg, 24, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 14. Tzafrir Baror, 32, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 15. Tsvi Kaplan, 28, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 16. Gilad Rozenthal Yacoby, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 17. Oz Mendelovich, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 18. Nissim Sean Carmeli, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 19. Moshe Malko, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 20. Jordan Bensemhoun, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 21. Yuval Dagan, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 22. Tal Ifrach, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 23. Nadav Goldmacher, 23, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 24. Yuval Haiman, 21, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 25. Bayhesain Kshaun, 39, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 26. Dolev Keidar, 38, Israeli soldier, killed by Palestinian fighters in Israel. 27. Oded Ben Sira, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 28. Ohad Shemesh, 27, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 29. Avitar Moshe Torjamin, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 30. Dmitri Levitas, 26, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 31. Natan Cohen, 23, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 32. Paz Elyahu, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 33. Li Mat, 19, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 34. Shahar Dauber, 20, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 35. Narakorn Kitiyangkul, 36, Thai worker, killed by rocket fired from Gaza. 36. Guy Boyland, 21, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 37. Barak Refael Degorker, 27, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 38, Liad Lavi, 22, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 39. Rami Chalon, 39, Israeli soldier, killed in Gaza. 40. Amit Yeori, 20, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 41. Guy Levy, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 42. Roy Peles, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 43. Avraham Grintzvaig, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 44. Gal Bason, 21, Israeli soldier killed in Gaza. 45. Oron Shaul, 22, Israeli soldier first declared MIA, now found to be killed in Gaza. http://www.buzzfeed....a-and-israel-si So, the incursion had nothing to do with those 2500 little rockets sent Israel's way, eh? Nothing to do with those pesky tunnels that are used to terrorize Israeli's? Tell me, Egypt has shut down the tunnels on their side, why is Hamas not shooting off some rockets their way? For once, why don't you argue the facts rather than posting a link to some op-ed opinion piece or facts that aren't relative to the situation?
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) So, the incursion had nothing to do with those 2500 little rockets sent Israel's way, eh? Nothing to do with those pesky tunnels that are used to terrorize Israeli's? Tell me, Egypt has shut down the tunnels on their side, why is Hamas not shooting off some rockets their way? For once, why don't you argue the facts rather than posting a link to some op-ed opinion piece or facts that aren't relative to the situation? Because he's an open and unapologetic anti-Semite. He so far gone he actually makes NoJustice, who's so close to the issue that your heart has to go out to him, appear almost reasonable. Edited July 28, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
3rdnlng Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Because he's an open and unapologetic anti-Semite. He so far gone he actually makes NoJustice, who's so close to the issue that your heart has to go out to him, appear almost reasonable. I'm not so sure he he isn't close to the situation too. He has a lot of posts at 4:00 am EST for someone not named Wawrow.
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I'm not so sure he he isn't close to the situation too. He has a lot of posts at 4:00 am EST for someone not named Wawrow. There's a clear difference in the tone of their posts, however. NoJustice's clearly come from a place of pain, where as JT6P's drip with hate.
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