birdog1960 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) I guess you skipped over the part in the article where people specifically said they don't like the idea of a black list, but there's nothing wrong with publicly calling out idiots as such. Kind of like this place. i didn't skip over anything. the fact that there is even the threat of a blacklist and that pro israel ownership and management has that capability speaks to bias in very loud tones. Edited August 7, 2014 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 i didn't skip over anything. the fact that there is even the threat of a blacklist and that pro israel ownership and management has that capability speaks to bias in very loud tones. Next thing you know they'll be audited by the IRS. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Next thing you know they'll be audited by the IRS. Oh wait... argue the point. for multiple pages, you and others here contend that there isn't media bias. bias in movies and tv was even more casually dismissed. how can that be so when a threatened blacklist against those speaking out against israel in the industry is plausible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 argue the point. for multiple pages, you and others here contend that there isn't media bias. bias in movies and tv was even more casually dismissed. how can that be so when a threatened blacklist against those speaking out against israel in the industry is plausible? But yet other forms of bias by your ilk against your opponents is tossed aside? Consistent are we? No I don't agree with black lists but I do think Penelope Cruz is a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 i didn't skip over anything. the fact that there is even the threat of a blacklist and that pro israel ownership and management has that capability speaks to bias in very loud tones. Next thing you'll tell me is that Mel Gibson was misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 But yet other forms of bias by your ilk against your opponents is tossed aside? Consistent are we? No I don't agree with black lists but I do think Penelope Cruz is a moron. That still keeps her a MILF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Next thing you'll tell me is that Mel Gibson was misunderstood. Of course not. The article itself referred to the "Mel Gibson Threshold." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Of course not. The article itself referred to the "Mel Gibson Threshold." yeah, it's one thing to talk about killing 100's of innocent kids and entirely another to talk about stuff like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/09/circ_n_956086.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Of course not. The article itself referred to the "Mel Gibson Threshold." Yes, in the sense that criticizing Israel for its role in a war is almost anti-semitism. So just don't do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Egypt-pressing-Hamas-Islamic-Jihad-to-extend-cease-fire-with-Israel-370425 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Netanyahu asks US to help Israel avoid war crime charges Palestinian leaders are getting ready to join the ICC, and met with officials in The Hague recently to discuss the implications of joining. “The prime minister asked us to work together to ensure that this strategy of going to the ICC does not succeed,” Rep. Steve Israel told The Post by phone from Tel Aviv. Netanyahu “wants the US to use all the tools that we have at our disposal to, number one, make sure the world knows that war crimes were not committed by Israel, they were committed by Hamas. And that Israel should not be held to a double standard,” the congressman said. http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/ ........... Lol @ congressman "Israel". How does he know there were no war crimes committed by Israel? Was he there? Nope, no bias here. Imagine the hooting and hollering here if Congressman "Keith Palestine" was working with Abbas to garner US support for the war crimes measure? Edited August 7, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Hey Birddog, see any bias in this article ? http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/07/374425/bibi-killing-gazans-proportionate/ Netanyahu asks US to help Israel avoid war crime charges Palestinian leaders are getting ready to join the ICC, and met with officials in The Hague recently to discuss the implications of joining. "The prime minister asked us to work together to ensure that this strategy of going to the ICC does not succeed," Rep. Steve Israel told The Post by phone from Tel Aviv. Netanyahu "wants the US to use all the tools that we have at our disposal to, number one, make sure the world knows that war crimes were not committed by Israel, they were committed by Hamas. And that Israel should not be held to a double standard," the congressman said. http://nypost.com/20...-crime-charges/ ........... Lol @ congressman "Israel". How does he know there were no war crimes committed by Israel? Was he there? Nope, no bias here. Imagine the hooting and hollering here if Congressman "Keith Palestine" was working with Abbas to garner US support for the war crimes measure? LOL @ this post and I ain't laughing with you t-w-a-t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Honest question, fellas, do you think Israel will benefit from a real and genuine peace with the Palestinians? Edited August 8, 2014 by NoJustice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Honest question, fellas, do you think Israel will benefit from a real abd genuine peace with the Palestinians? yes. another honest question: do you think HAMAS will ever even consider a real and genuine peace with Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Honest question, fellas, do you think Israel will benefit from a real abd genuine peace with the Palestinians? Depends which Israelis: For netanyahu's radical right, no because either a one or two-state means an end to their goal of a Jewish state on all the land. From their perspective they might as well take their chances on status quo with settlement expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 yes. another honest question: do you think HAMAS will ever even consider a real and genuine peace with Israel? Care to elaborate? If the blockade is lifted and all settlements in the West Bank are dismantled my answer is yes, but since that's not gonna happen anytime soon we will continue to see violence. Depends which Israelis: For netanyahu's radical right, no because either a one or two-state means an end to their goal of a Jewish state on all the land. From their perspective they might as well take their chances on status quo with settlement expansion I couldn't agree more. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain. As of now the Israelis have the best of both worlds. They control the Palestinian people without any of the financial responsibilities that come along with it. They can also continue to build their illegal settlements. Why would they want a change from the status-quo? People should keep this in mind when we talk about this conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Care to elaborate? If the blockade is lifted and all settlements in the West Bank are dismantled my answer is yes, but since that's not gonna happen anytime soon we will continue to see violence. You need to take into account Hamas's stated goal of the destruction of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Care to elaborate? If the blockade is lifted and all settlements in the West Bank are dismantled my answer is yes, but since that's not gonna happen anytime soon we will continue to see violence. I couldn't agree more. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain. As of now the Israelis have the best of both worlds. They control the Palestinian people without any of the financial responsibilities that come along with it. They can also continue to build their illegal settlements. Why would they want a change from the status-quo? People should keep this in mind when we talk about this conflict. Have the Israeli's ever shunned away from peace before? Remember they see the difference between living in peace with Egypt and Jordan and living at war with Palestinians and Syrians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 You need to take into account Hamas's stated goal of the destruction of Israel. The same could be said about the Israelis. The only difference is one group is actually doing it slowly but surely. Just look at the maps of the area since '48. It'll tell you everything you need to know about that. The proof is there. Palestinians in Gaza catch a lot of heat for voting in Hamas and rightly so, but the Israeli people did the same thing by making a known hawk who's against a two state solution their prime minister. Hamas needs to be made irrelevant. Promise the Palestinian people no settlements and no blockade if and only if Hamas gets overthrown and you will see another intifada, only this time it will be aimed at Hamas, not Israel. Have the Israeli's ever shunned away from peace before? Remember they see the difference between living in peace with Egypt and Jordan and living at war with Palestinians and Syrians. Well they did assassinate the one guy (Rabin) that was willing to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 You need to take into account Hamas's stated goal of the destruction of Israel. NJ's question is not exclusive to Israel's relationship with Hamas. Abbas' Fatah controlled west bank went out of their way to stress acceptance of Israel. And yet netanyahu and the radical right undermined US peace efforts and continued settlements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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