YoloinOhio Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 and Texans say they didn't know... but another top 10 team did. This a year after the Texans signed Ed Reed to a contract that gave him $5 million guaranteed at a time when Reed had a hip problem that the Texans failed to detect during his physical. Clowney had surgery just recently, not sure if he'll be ready for TC. Alrighty then. ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 38m Should Texans have known about Clowney hernia? At least one other top-10 team did http://wp.me/p14QSB-9vDi
Mr. WEO Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 It's OK, kind of a bogus diagnosis anyway. But, since he's just had his sham operation, he should be ready to go soon...
DC Tom Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Boo-hoo. I posted through the 2013 season with carpal tunnel. Life's tough.
YoloinOhio Posted June 27, 2014 Author Posted June 27, 2014 Boo-hoo. I posted through the 2013 season with carpal tunnel. Life's tough. And everyone thought you were just lazy and took threads off... can't believe you hid this the whole time. Props, man.
Mark Vader Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Texans should have been privy to this, but I doubt it would have scared them enough to not draft him.
Max997 Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 you would think if a player is aware of this he would be obligated to mention it
The Wiz Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) you would think if a player is aware of this he would be obligated to mention it Regardless of his pre-draft rank and performance, would you really think a player would disclose an injury that could possibly hurt his rank? It's up to the team doctor to give the physical and find out if there is a problem. Edited June 27, 2014 by The Wiz
SmokinES3 Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 you would think if a player is aware of this he would be obligated to mention it Please pay me less money?
jester43 Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 It's OK, kind of a bogus diagnosis anyway. But, since he's just had his sham operation, he should be ready to go soon... i don't understand your comment? is it that you think he's lying? i had one and i can't fathom playing football on it.
CountryCletus Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 and Texans say they didn't know... but another top 10 team did. This a year after the Texans signed Ed Reed to a contract that gave him $5 million guaranteed at a time when Reed had a hip problem that the Texans failed to detect during his physical. Clowney had surgery just recently, not sure if he'll be ready for TC. Alrighty then. ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 38m Should Texans have known about Clowney hernia? At least one other top-10 team did http://wp.me/p14QSB-9vDi I'm starting to think that their medical staff consists of several medical students that couldn't find a better residency...
Mr. WEO Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Regardless of his pre-draft rank and performance, would you really think a player would disclose an injury that could possibly hurt his rank? It's up to the team doctor to give the physical and find out if there is a problem. I'm starting to think that their medical staff consists of several medical students that couldn't find a better residency... It's not the team doctors' fault. A "sports hernia" isn't a hernia at all. There are no physical findings on exam, except tenderness to deep palpation on the side of the pubic bone of the affected side. I can't imagine, unless a player has specific complaints of groin pai, that any team physician performing a routine physical is going to spend much if any time on the guy's groin... Hey, team doctors miss can miss gross abnormalities--recall how the Bills staff somehow blew it on Merriman (a chronically and acutely injured player they aquired recently from IR). They forgot to ask the guy to run backwards a few steps after an achilles injury before they cleared him. Oops... The Texans Sports Medicine staff was named the best in the NFL by th Pro Football Athletic Trainers Society last year. The guy who is the head of the physician staff is also the Chairman of Orthopedics at UT Houston. After residency, he did Fellowship training with Frank Jobe at Kerlan-Jobe clinic in LA. Doesn;t get too much better than that for sport orthopedic training.. i don't understand your comment? is it that you think he's lying? i had one and i can't fathom playing football on it. I don't think he's lying. But a sports hernia is a dubious diagnosis--essentially a muscle tear (often treated not with any real repair, but with simply cutting the nearby senosry nerve). For many surgeons who operate on actual hernias, it's difficult to see why these players need surgery or why they would improve given there is no real anatomic defect or gross injury.
jester43 Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 It's not the team doctors' fault. A "sports hernia" isn't a hernia at all. There are no physical findings on exam, except tenderness to deep palpation on the side of the pubic bone of the affected side. I can't imagine, unless a player has specific complaints of groin pai, that any team physician performing a routine physical is going to spend much if any time on the guy's groin... Hey, team doctors miss can miss gross abnormalities--recall how the Bills staff somehow blew it on Merriman (a chronically and acutely injured player they aquired recently from IR). They forgot to ask the guy to run backwards a few steps after an achilles injury before they cleared him. Oops... The Texans Sports Medicine staff was named the best in the NFL by th Pro Football Athletic Trainers Society last year. The guy who is the head of the physician staff is also the Chairman of Orthopedics at UT Houston. After residency, he did Fellowship training with Frank Jobe at Kerlan-Jobe clinic in LA. Doesn;t get too much better than that for sport orthopedic training.. I don't think he's lying. But a sports hernia is a dubious diagnosis--essentially a muscle tear (often treated not with any real repair, but with simply cutting the nearby senosry nerve). For many surgeons who operate on actual hernias, it's difficult to see why these players need surgery or why they would improve given there is no real anatomic defect or gross injury. You don't have to teach me what it is...i was just about crippled by one...and had it successfully repaired surgically...i so it's hard for me to see how you know enough about what happened to him to declare his diagnosis "dubious." Mine was confirmed with an MRI that showed two tears. When your r.a. muscle has torn away from your pelvis in two places (as was mine) and every other muscle in your pelvic girdle overtightens to deal with the resulting instability, you are in a world of hurt. i went from being in the best shape of my life to being barely able to move in the space of two months.
John from Riverside Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Boo-hoo. I posted through the 2013 season with carpal tunnel. Life's tough. Yes my F5 finger was a challenge from at least the 10th game on....
Mr. WEO Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 You don't have to teach me what it is...i was just about crippled by one...and had it successfully repaired surgically...i so it's hard for me to see how you know enough about what happened to him to declare his diagnosis "dubious." Mine was confirmed with an MRI that showed two tears. When your r.a. muscle has torn away from your pelvis in two places (as was mine) and every other muscle in your pelvic girdle overtightens to deal with the resulting instability, you are in a world of hurt. i went from being in the best shape of my life to being barely able to move in the space of two months. What you are decribing (myofascial dissociation from bone) is significantly different from what is typically described as a "sports hernia". Your injury sounds much more severe and likely needed re-attatchment at surgery. A lot of surgeons who do sports hernia repair, however, are offering laparoscopic surgery with mesh--the same as of there was an actual inguinal hernia. This makes little anatomic sense--especially if there is a significant anterior tear or disruption. Laparoscopic repair with mesh can't affect that, yet it is being done...
CountryCletus Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 It's not the team doctors' fault. A "sports hernia" isn't a hernia at all. There are no physical findings on exam, except tenderness to deep palpation on the side of the pubic bone of the affected side. I can't imagine, unless a player has specific complaints of groin pai, that any team physician performing a routine physical is going to spend much if any time on the guy's groin... Hey, team doctors miss can miss gross abnormalities--recall how the Bills staff somehow blew it on Merriman (a chronically and acutely injured player they aquired recently from IR). They forgot to ask the guy to run backwards a few steps after an achilles injury before they cleared him. Oops... The Texans Sports Medicine staff was named the best in the NFL by th Pro Football Athletic Trainers Society last year. The guy who is the head of the physician staff is also the Chairman of Orthopedics at UT Houston. After residency, he did Fellowship training with Frank Jobe at Kerlan-Jobe clinic in LA. Doesn;t get too much better than that for sport orthopedic training.. I don't think he's lying. But a sports hernia is a dubious diagnosis--essentially a muscle tear (often treated not with any real repair, but with simply cutting the nearby senosry nerve). For many surgeons who operate on actual hernias, it's difficult to see why these players need surgery or why they would improve given there is no real anatomic defect or gross injury. Your knowledge and/or research is disturbing... Go enjoy the nice weather
Mr. WEO Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 Your knowledge and/or research is disturbing... Go enjoy the nice weather I did, took a nice ride on the bike to Sodus Bay, Thanks!
Max997 Posted June 30, 2014 Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Regardless of his pre-draft rank and performance, would you really think a player would disclose an injury that could possibly hurt his rank? It's up to the team doctor to give the physical and find out if there is a problem. Please pay me less money? not willingly obviously but with the amount of money involved you would think legally they would have to disclose this type of information Edited June 30, 2014 by Max997
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