May Day 10 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 que the early 90s comparisons. different time now 20 years later though. How ticketing/flipping is with technology, smaller venue, overall popularity of the NFL, regionalized Rochester and Southern Ontario
Kirby Jackson Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 que the early 90s comparisons. different time now 20 years later though. How ticketing/flipping is with technology, smaller venue, overall popularity of the NFL, regionalized Rochester and Southern Ontario This is kind of where I am at. One of my biggest pet peeves is that we act as if we are the best fans in the world but we do not support the team as such. We may be the most passionate fan base in the world but we are still flawed. That is all that I am saying. If you want to send a message to potential owners that you want the team here nothing says it louder than buying tickets.
May Day 10 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 no doubt. thats what has made this futility extra miserable though. I have little doubt that once the Bills are AFC East/AFC contenders, the ticket issue will be "primed" just like the Sabres' situation and people will be grabbing tickets for resale purposes, causing a waiting list and perpetual demand. With the futility, I feared we would never have a chance to get there I think that we do have a right to hold our heads high based on the tickets the currently do sell though. Going for the 7-peat of last place finishes.
CodeMonkey Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 no doubt. thats what has made this futility extra miserable though. I have little doubt that once the Bills are AFC East/AFC contenders, the ticket issue will be "primed" just like the Sabres' situation and people will be grabbing tickets for resale purposes, causing a waiting list and perpetual demand. With the futility, I feared we would never have a chance to get there I think that we do have a right to hold our heads high based on the tickets the currently do sell though. Going for the 7-peat of last place finishes. God, I hadn't realized that.
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, attendance is a much smaller revenue maker than people think. Most revenue comes from TV ratings and merchandise sales.
GA BILLS FAN Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) I think it's a fair expectation by fans for their team to be competitive, just like it's a fair expectation for a team, if they are competitive, that fans will support them. We have a case here, where the team has not lived up to their end of the bargain, not the fans. To suggest anything otherwise is simply wrong. I don't want to hijack this thread to get into a theoretical discussion on what fans should or should not do to prove their worth to prospective buyers, however, I do believe that Bills fans have proven to NFL owners and the league that they can and will support a team in this area. I don't think that is an issue. The only potential issues with Buffalo as an NFL city, is whether there are enough corporate dollars and whether the longer term economic outlook could create more significant population erosion to change that equation. Edited July 22, 2014 by TXBILLSFAN
Kelly the Dog Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, attendance is a much smaller revenue maker than people think. Most revenue comes from TV ratings and merchandise sales. It's very small compared to TV and other forms of sales. They change the rules once in awhile, but additionally, the ticket sales are split between the home and away team anyway. As far as I know right now, the home team gets 66% and the visiting team gets 34% up to the 85% threshold of what constitutes "a sell-out" - with all revenue more than the 85% split 50-50 between the teams. http://sportsbusinessdigest.com/2012/08/the-nfl-still-not-overly-concerned-with-falling-attendance/
A Dog Named Kelso Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Frankly, that bit of information makes it exponentially LESS likely that they have any intention of keeping the team in Buffalo. Why would Tanenbaum and the Rogers family do this? Spend 400 million dollars, not have a team in Toronto, and not get much of the glory or stature associated with being an NFL owner. Future expansion? When the time comes, they would already have experience in NFL ownership. And it's not like the team would lose money or go down in value, even in Buffalo. This is exactly why you would get involved. I can think of at least one owner who was a minority owner before getting their own team. There may be more, IDK. Edited July 22, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I didn't say that; what I said was that the NFL doesn't need to see your protest to understand that the fans in this area don't want the team to move. If you're saying that you think they'll allow the team to move anyway (by all accounts they won't), then what good does a protest do? I can just picture the owners sitting around... Robert Kraft: Anyone think Buffalo fans care if that team moves? Art Rooney: Yes, they care; they love that team Dan Snyder: Screw 'em, let's get the NFL in Toronto Jerry Richardson: Yeah, they probably don't care that much anyway Roger Goodell: Look everyone...they're picketing outside St. John Fisher at Bills' Training Camp! Dan Snyder: Oh my, I've changed my mind; let's let them stay...that guy in the Watkins jersey looks upset Are you kidding me? Browns' fans laid down in front of the moving trucks back when they lost their team...didn't matter. If you are convinced that they're bent on moving the team then your protest won't matter. The good news is that the NFL wants the team here, so all of this discussion is moot anyway. NOt that I condone the protest, but it wouldn't be to send a message to the NFL, but to get public opinion, on the national level, on our side.
thebandit27 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 NOt that I condone the protest, but it wouldn't be to send a message to the NFL, but to get public opinion, on the national level, on our side. I guess that speaks even more to the overall point: if the NFL is bent on moving the team, then they aren't going to care about public opinion regardless.
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I guess that speaks even more to the overall point: if the NFL is bent on moving the team, then they aren't going to care about public opinion regardless. Public opinion don't mean **** until it hits the bottom line.
Kirby Jackson Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Public opinion don't mean **** until it hits the bottom line. Which goes back to the point of if you want to make a statement pack the stadium.
Pondslider Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Which goes back to the point of if you want to make a statement pack the stadium. Pack the stadium while doubling ticket prices. Edited July 22, 2014 by Pondslider
BillsVet Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11200179/nfl-teams-divided-6-billion-revenue-according-green-bay-packers-financials I'm guessing the majority of this is derived from the tv contracts, although the result is a salary cap is increasing rapdiidly. It's part of the reason why I'm not sure investing in a NFL team is a clear winner. There's more to review if you're going to bid 1.1B+ for a team.
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I guess that speaks even more to the overall point: if the NFL is bent on moving the team, then they aren't going to care about public opinion regardless. Yeah, but they already had a black eye, granted a temporary one, from Houson and Cleveland. And as much as I hate to say it, I don't see Buffalo getting a team if this one leaves.
Tyrod's Tailor Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 http://espn.go.com/n...kers-financials I'm not sure investing in a NFL team is a clear winner. Bingo. People say the value of an NFL team can only go up. People used to say the same things about houses, And now?
TheFunPolice Posted July 23, 2014 Posted July 23, 2014 hypothetical: the Toronto group buys the team and raises ticket prices to the league average If the tickets fail to sell is that reason to move the team to a bigger market like Toronto at the end of the lease? After all, what is the point of a new stadium if the tickets won't be more expensive?
FluffHead Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 @john_wawrow: AP Source: Bon Jovi group interested in buying #Bills has explored stadium sites in Toronto. http://t.co/n0GRryEklW
Jamie Nails Posted July 24, 2014 Posted July 24, 2014 @john_wawrow: AP Source: Bon Jovi group interested in buying #Bills has explored stadium sites in Toronto. http://t.co/n0GRryEklW But, but Jaws said....
YoloinOhio Posted July 24, 2014 Author Posted July 24, 2014 @john_wawrow: AP Source: Bon Jovi group interested in buying #Bills has explored stadium sites in Toronto. http://t.co/n0GRryEklW
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