Hillary's Campaign Kickoff

[GG]

Well I guess so but I tend to remember this

 

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/

 

plus the constant drum beat from the right-wing birther movement saying he was an illegitimate candidate for president

 

Did you miss this nugget?

 

“This is how we get whole,” she said with a laugh. “We’re going to do to you what you did to us in 2006.”

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Dems’ Plummeting Numbers

by Andrew C McCarthy

FTA:

 

Hillary was a terrible candidate, no question. I could never understand why anyone on our side feared her. She’s never been good at this.

 

She won a senate seat in New York, where the GOP barely has a pulse. She would have been nominated (or coronated) in 2008 if she could have gotten to 40 percent with Dem voters; she couldn’t, which is why Obama got consideration that someone of his inexperience and radical background should never have gotten … and he duly zoomed past her.

 

This time around, the party rigged it for her, and she still struggled to beat a batty 75-year-old self-proclaimed socialist who wasn’t even a Democrat until 2015. As I’ve said a number of times, she was certain to be just as bad a candidate in ’16 as she had been in ’08, except now she had Benghazi and a generally lousy tenure at the State Department hanging around her neck – and that was before we learned about the homebrew email system, destruction of government records, mishandling of classified information, etc.

 

But all that said, I look at Hillary as Obama’s policies without Obama’s aura. Obama the historical figure has always run ahead Obama’s policies. Because race remains a highly charged issue in American life, the first African-American presidency excited people in a way the prospect of a woman president does not. By that, I mean to imply the opposite of sexism: Geraldine Ferraro appeared on a presidential ticket a generation ago, Sarah Palin eight years ago, and women have been holding high-level cabinet, congressional and judicial posts for decades. The electorate has more women than men, many women are visibly successful in private industry, and our close ally Britain now has its second female prime minister. It’s just not that big a deal to people. The playing field has leveled to the extent that when, sometime in the easily foreseeable future, a woman wins the White House, it will be based on merit, not sex. Hillary’s problem is not that she is a woman; it’s that she is Hillary.

 

Obama is a very different story: people who are not particularly supportive of his agenda have nevertheless supported his presidency – although the number declined markedly after his policies took hold in 2009. His personal charm has always been lost on me – I find him aloof, thin-skinned, condescending, and dishonest. But even I can see that he is handsome, graceful, impressively confident, has a great voice, is clearly comfortable in his celebrity, and is by all accounts an admirable husband and father. Many people like having him as their president. His presidency’s historic nature makes them feel better about the country (which is why it is so tragic that he further divided the nation racially when he was uniquely positioned to unite us). Even if people are not crazy about the direction in which Obama has taken the country, he often does not get blamed for his policy failures.

 

But let’s take Obama The Historic President out of the equation. Since he became president and Democrats got onboard his aggressively statist governance, the party has been routed across the country: in both houses of Congress, and in state and local governments. When Obama’s policies are on the ballot without Obama, Democrats tend to get shellacked.

 

In addition to her lack of political gifts, Clinton was plainly hurt by her scandals, WikiLeaks, and the FBI’s machinations, which publicized many of the sordid details uncovered by the bureau’s investigation and then redirected the public’s attention to the emails after she hoped she had put them behind her. Still, as much as anything else, Clinton was hurt by the implosion of Obamacare in the critical final weeks of the campaign. It is Obama’s signature policy, and she had to run on it.

 

Obama’s policies do not run well without Obama on the ballot.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442058/dems-plummeting-numbers

[/dev/null]

Dems’ Plummeting Numbers

by Andrew C McCarthy

 

FTA:

 

Hillary was a terrible candidate, no question.

 

If you dig into the numbers the Republicans numbers were down as well. The difference is the Republicans were less unenthusiastic about their nominee than the Democrats

 

Trump won "Blue Wall" states with fewer votes than George W Bush had in defeat

[KD in CA]

 

If you dig into the numbers the Republicans numbers were down as well. The difference is the Republicans were less unenthusiastic about their nominee than the Democrats

 

Trump won "Blue Wall" states with fewer votes than George W Bush had in defeat

 

So the real question is....did the GOP just maintain turnout better than the Dems, or did turnout go down across the board but Trump converted blue collar Dem voters?

[DC Tom]

 

If you dig into the numbers the Republicans numbers were down as well. The difference is the Republicans were less unenthusiastic about their nominee than the Democrats

 

Trump won "Blue Wall" states with fewer votes than George W Bush had in defeat

 

 

 

Props to me, I called it.

 

 

 

This election is so weird I don't trust any polls. Both these candidates are so deplorable and nearly impossible for any rational person to actively support that the result is likely to be determined by voter turnout than anything else.

 

I even used "deplorable" before Hillary did.

 

Edited November 11, 2016 by DC Tom

[sodbuster]

These magazines, sans-Jordan, have reached EBay. So if you're looking for a way to waste $500... Edited November 11, 2016 by sodbuster

[Joe Miner]

 

If you dig into the numbers the Republicans numbers were down as well. The difference is the Republicans were less unenthusiastic about their nominee than the Democrats

 

Trump won "Blue Wall" states with fewer votes than George W Bush had in defeat

So if it wasn't the racist, sexist, uneducated, deplorable Republicans that came out of the rural areas in droves that elected Trump like the media said, what was it?

 

Maybe the racist, sexist, uneducated, deplorable group that cost Hillary the election were the folks that normally vote Democrat but decided to stay home this past Tuesday?

Edited November 11, 2016 by Joe Miner

[TH3]

Dems Plummeting Numbers

by Andrew C McCarthy[/size]FTA:

 

Hillary was a terrible candidate, no question. I could never understand why anyone on our side feared her. Shes never been good at this.[/size]

 

She won a senate seat in New York, where the GOP barely has a pulse. She would have been nominated (or coronated) in 2008 if she could have gotten to 40 percent with Dem voters; she couldnt, which is why Obama got consideration that someone of his inexperience and radical background should never have gotten and he duly zoomed past her. [/size]

 

She got more votes than your guy

 

This time around, the party rigged it for her, and she still struggled to beat a batty 75-year-old self-proclaimed socialist who wasnt even a Democrat until 2015. As Ive said a number of times, she was certain to be just as bad a candidate in 16 as she had been in 08, except now she had Benghazi and a generally lousy tenure at the State Department hanging around her neck and that was before we learned about the homebrew email system, destruction of government records, mishandling of classified information, etc. [/size]

 

But all that said, I look at Hillary as Obamas policies without Obamas aura. Obama the historical figure has always run ahead Obamas policies. Because race remains a highly charged issue in American life, the first African-American presidency excited people in a way the prospect of a woman president does not. By that, I mean to imply the opposite of sexism: Geraldine Ferraro appeared on a presidential ticket a generation ago, Sarah Palin eight years ago, and women have been holding high-level cabinet, congressional and judicial posts for decades. The electorate has more women than men, many women are visibly successful in private industry, and our close ally Britain now has its second female prime minister. Its just not that big a deal to people. The playing field has leveled to the extent that when, sometime in the easily foreseeable future, a woman wins the White House, it will be based on merit, not sex. Hillarys problem is not that she is a woman; its that she is Hillary. [/size]

 

Obama is a very different story: people who are not particularly supportive of his agenda have nevertheless supported his presidency although the number declined markedly after his policies took hold in 2009. His personal charm has always been lost on me I find him aloof, thin-skinned, condescending, and dishonest. But even I can see that he is handsome, graceful, impressively confident, has a great voice, is clearly comfortable in his celebrity, and is by all accounts an admirable husband and father. Many people like having him as their president. His presidencys historic nature makes them feel better about the country (which is why it is so tragic that he further divided the nation racially when he was uniquely positioned to unite us). Even if people are not crazy about the direction in which Obama has taken the country, he often does not get blamed for his policy failures. [/size]

 

But lets take Obama The Historic President out of the equation. Since he became president and Democrats got onboard his aggressively statist governance, the party has been routed across the country: in both houses of Congress, and in state and local governments. When Obamas policies are on the ballot without Obama, Democrats tend to get shellacked. [/size]

 

In addition to her lack of political gifts, Clinton was plainly hurt by her scandals, WikiLeaks, and the FBIs machinations, which publicized many of the sordid details uncovered by the bureaus investigation and then redirected the publics attention to the emails after she hoped she had put them behind her. Still, as much as anything else, Clinton was hurt by the implosion of Obamacare in the critical final weeks of the campaign. It is Obamas signature policy, and she had to run on it. [/size]

 

Obamas policies do not run well without Obama on the ballot.[/size]

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442058/dems-plummeting-numbers[/size]

 

Plummetting...? She got more votes that DT

Edited November 11, 2016 by baskin

[Joe Miner]

Plummetting...? She got more votes that DT

She got fewer votes than Mitt Romney.

 

And compared to Obama's numbers? Yeah, the Democratic votes plummeted this year.

[B-Man]

She got fewer votes than Mitt Romney.

 

And compared to Obama's numbers? Yeah, the Democratic votes plummeted this year.

 

 

Joe, don't bother.

 

Common sense is foreign to Bask.

 

They're going to cling to their little "popular vote" mantra..................until (of course) they can't

[GG]

She got fewer votes than Mitt Romney.

 

And compared to Obama's numbers? Yeah, the Democratic votes plummeted this year.

 

And as predicted, the recriminations are now hitting 3rd party candidates.

 

Did you guys know that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are now responsible for Trump's presidency?

[Nanker]

Well, Ralph Nader cost AlGore his presidency.

Best thing Ralph ever did since the Corvair recall.

[/dev/null]

 

And as predicted, the recriminations are now hitting 3rd party candidates.

 

Did you guys know that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are now responsible for Trump's presidency?

 

Yeah because Johnson voters like me were ever gonna vote for Hiliary

[GG]

 

Yeah because Johnson voters like me were ever gonna vote for Hiliary

 

 

Shhh. Stop bringing logic into an emotional discussion. You're clearly not married.

[/dev/null]

So I missed Hiliary's concession speech but I did see excerpts about being the first woman to come so close and encouraging women to follow so that one day we will have a woman President

 

Did she ever mention Kelly Anne Conway?

You know, the first woman to ever run a successful Presidential campaign?

[4merper4mer]

So I missed Hiliary's concession speech but I did see excerpts about being the first woman to come so close and encouraging women to follow so that one day we will have a woman President

 

Did she ever mention Kelly Anne Conway?

You know, the first woman to ever run a successful Presidential campaign?

 

Kelly Ann Conway?

 

Dude "Saved By the Bell" was a TV show.

 

[B-Man]

Dems’ Plummeting Numbers

by Andrew C McCarthy

 

 

 

 

A third of all House Democrats now hail from three states (CA, NY, MA).

 

California alone accounts for 20% of the House Democratic caucus.

 

 

 

Fringe party ?

[Nanker]

Well, they're marginalized at best. What's their leadership pipeline look like? Bernie? Chelsea? Cuomo? Booker? McAuliffe? Emanuel? Schumer? Pelosi?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Don't forget wiener