Hillary's Campaign Kickoff

[4merper4mer]

 

You discredit them (and yourself) by attributing their success to race/sex. It's an ignorant point to make.

 

"Obama wouldn't be president if he were white" ignores his success and appeal as a candidate. Attributing Clinton's success to "vagina" is the same ignorant argument.

 

If the argument were being made in the moment that Clinton was hiding behind her sex, it would be relevant. It's not here. And as I said, you've brought this up often.

 

 

Re-read what he said. You don't have it right.

[Azalin]

that's because of your cis-gendered white male privilege bias

 

 

[keepthefaith]

 

No, the FBI has been all over this email thing with a fine-toothed comb and determined that Hillary lied, and anyone else would be indicted for what she did. That's straight from the FBI Director.

Exactly correct. Comey basically told us all that he wouldn't dare recommend an indictment or that he was instructed not to. The entire investigation was a sham with a pre-determined outcome and any Clinton Foundation investigation is for sure being done for the same purpose - that is to clear the Clintons before November.

[Observer]

How did Rubio do in this primary season?

 

Relevant how?

 

Rubio was doing well until he showed a lack of maturity under fire. He was holding his own until Christie skewered him in the debate. Then he went on a crash and burn.

 

See how you can discuss a candidate without attributing their success or failure to race? Just like that.

[GG]

 

Relevant how?

 

Rubio was doing well until he showed a lack of maturity under fire. He was holding his own until Christie skewered him in the debate. Then he went on a crash and burn.

 

See how you can discuss a candidate without attributing their success or failure to race? Just like that.

He actually recovered after that episode, but didn't have enough backing of people who needed self validation to vote for a first time back bench senator with zero legislative track record.

[IDBillzFan]

 

"Obama wouldn't be president if he were white" ignores his success and appeal as a candidate. Attributing Clinton's success to "vagina" is the same ignorant argument.

 

You're splitting points in hopes of being right with one of them. I'm not sure why, but here is what I hope will be my last retort on this as I have a full day ahead:

 

First, I argue Obama wouldn't be president if he were white because it's true, and it does not ignore his success and appeal because absolutely none of this happens -- his candidacy, his successes (be they as they may) nor his appeal -- if he's white.

 

All his education came from affirmative action. He wasn't getting into those colleges with the choom gang grades (which no one is allowed to see), but being of Kenyan descent opened doors just like being 1/32nd Native American opened doors for Elizabeth Warren: it looked good for universities to boast their diversity.

 

Did you ever review how Obama made it to his elected positions in the Illinois state senate? Was it his resume? His grades? His accomplishments?

 

No. He won his seats by getting dirt out on his competition. Getting divorce records unsealed. Look it up. He didn't win. He just made sure his competition lost.

 

Suddenly he is moving ahead in politics not because of anything he did, but because of the missteps of others.

 

By the time he gave his speech at the 2004 convention, the DNC and the media had precisely what Joe Biden meant when he called him "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

 

Next the media jumped on board because there is a ton of money to be made covering the election of the first black president. No one cared that his executive experience was equal to that of a third-grader. It was time to make history. Get tingles. Get rid of red American and blue America and have a united America! He's LeBron, baby! He's got game!

 

It all went fine until he won the WH, House and Senate and immediately told the GOP to go phuck themselves.

 

And here's my ultimate point that you seem to miss: the minute anyone questioned Obama for his actions, it was because they were racist. Period. Just ask the Clintons.

 

By the time Nancy Pelosi walked arm-in-arm with black congressmen through the ACA protesters just to announce someone spit on the black guys, the DNC had their super weapon and the GOP was done. They had no nutsack to fight back against cries of racism. They still don't. Which is one of the bigger contributors to Donald Trump's role as Democrat running as Republican. Because the GOP has become a useless, feckless, cowardly bunch of pussified elected officials who ran away the minute the word 'racist' started...and it hasn't stopped yet.

 

Hillary is different. She didn't get anywhere by being a woman. She got everywhere by being married to Bill. She's only using her surrogates to say "If you have a vagina, you must vote for a woman" because we both know the Gloria Steinem-like headlines will keep the GOP at bay, and they will only increase with every day that passes through this election, and right through her presidency.

[B-Man]

The reason Hillary set up a private email system is so she could benefit privately from the sale of public policy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

OOPS: Hillary scrubs sexual assault pledge after allegations against Bill resurface.

[Observer]

 

And here's my ultimate point that you seem to miss: the minute anyone questioned Obama for his actions, it was because they were racist. Period. Just ask the Clintons.

 

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I'll end this by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're ignorant, and not as racist as you constantly hitting this drum makes you sound.

 

Obama got ahead because he got ahead. He's an extremely smart guy who played the political game well, maybe not as well as Bill Clinton, but pretty well in his own right. In the process, he got a lot of people to believe in his message of "hope." How you can't look at this election and the rise of Trump and not see that people loved "Obama the outsider" is beyond me.

 

Attributing his success to race is weak.

[GG]

 

I'll end this by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're ignorant, and not as racist as you constantly hitting this drum makes you sound.

 

Obama got ahead because he got ahead. He's an extremely smart guy who played the political game well, maybe not as well as Bill Clinton, but pretty well in his own right. In the process, he got a lot of people to believe in his message of "hope." How you can't look at this election and the rise of Trump and not see that people loved "Obama the outsider" is beyond me.

 

Attributing his success to race is weak.

 

You're delusional.

 

Walk down memory lane.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

You discredit them (and yourself) by attributing their success to race/sex. It's an ignorant point to make.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

I specifically stuck to 'liberal' sites..........................to avoid the inevitable 'racist' tag towards the articles....

 

 

No..........not everyone voted for Barack because.................but to claim that it is a weak factor.................is laughable

 

I Only Voted For Obama 'Cause He's Black. Now What? - Huffington Post

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../voted-for-obama-cause-hes-black

I Voted For Barack Obama Because He Was Black! - Ebony

www.ebony.com/black.../samuel-l-jackson-says-i-voted-for-barack-obama-because-h

Tina Brown, via transcript from MSNBC

Brown suggested that in 2008, when it looked like Clinton had it, “Being the first black president in the end got more traction than being the first woman president.”

 

 

 

I'm a big fan of Obama,” Larry Wilmore said. “But I didn’t vote for his policy, I voted for him because he’s black. The policy I agree with is the policy that he’s black.”

 

[Observer]

 

 

 

I specifically stuck to 'liberal' sites..........................to avoid the inevitable 'racist' tag towards the articles....

 

 

No..........not everyone voted for Barack because.................but to claim that it is a weak factor.................is laughable

 

I Only Voted For Obama 'Cause He's Black. Now What? - Huffington Post

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../voted-for-obama-cause-hes-black

I Voted For Barack Obama Because He Was Black! - Ebony

www.ebony.com/black.../samuel-l-jackson-says-i-voted-for-barack-obama-because-h

Tina Brown, via transcript from MSNBC

Brown suggested that in 2008, when it looked like Clinton had it, “Being the first black president in the end got more traction than being the first woman president.”

 

 

 

I'm a big fan of Obama,” Larry Wilmore said. “But I didn’t vote for his policy, I voted for him because he’s black. The policy I agree with is the policy that he’s black.”

 

 

I said it's a weak argument and one that LA in particular brings up often. Racism is always a factor in any election. 200 years of white male presidents agree.

 

When you often harp on race being the reason he's president, it diminishes how he got there. "She got there because she's a woman" or "He got there because he's a minority" is how people diminish the accomplishments of minorities. It's a common arrow in the quiver of the people who got passed by or the armchair racist. If you don't see that, you're living in a world of ignorance. One I know exists, but it's still ignorant.

 

If we had been talking about a moment when Obama played the race card or an instance Hillary overplayed her woman card, this would be a different conversation. But this didn't come up in that context and LA brings this up frequently.

 

You can backfit the arguments to support claims that she relies on her sex (I haven't followed your links...Samuel L. Jackson really?) but that's not what happened here.

Edited August 15, 2016 by Observer

[GG]

 

 

 

I said it's a weak argument and one that LA in particular brings up often. Racism is always a factor in any election. 200 years of white male presidents agree.

 

When you often harp on race being the reason he's president, it diminishes how he got there. "She got there because she's a woman" or "He got there because he's a minority" is how people diminish the accomplishments of minorities. It's a common arrow in the quiver of the people who got passed by or the armchair racist. If you don't see that, you're living in a world of ignorance. One I know exists, but it's still ignorant.

 

If we had been talking about a moment when Obama played the race card or an instance Hillary overplayed her woman card, this would be a different conversation. But this didn't come up in that context and LA brings this up frequently.

 

You can backfit the arguments to support claims that she relies on her sex (I haven't followed your links...Samuel L. Jackson really?) but that's not what happened here.

 

You're offering a very tortured argument on a position that no one has staked out.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

You can backfit the arguments to support claims that she relies on her sex (I haven't followed your links...Samuel L. Jackson really?) but that's not what happened here.

 

I haven't seen anyone claiming HRC relied upon her sex to get the nomination or any of the things she's achieved.

[B-Man]

Back to Hill.................

 

“If someone as squalid as Hillary Clinton is a viable political candidate, that is not a failure of our legal system. It is a failure of our culture.”

 

 

 

 

#WhyImWithHer

 

Varied answers....(most laughably ignorant)...........but because she's a woman is there.......

[Observer]

 

I haven't seen anyone claiming HRC relied upon her sex to get the nomination or any of the things she's achieved.

 

Try a search on this board for the beautiful keyword "vagina."

 

Or try this quote:

 

"Hillary will win for being a woman like Obama won for being black."

Edited August 15, 2016 by Observer

[GG]

 

Try a search on this board for the beautiful keyword "vagina."

 

Or try this quote:

 

"Hillary will win for being a woman like Obama won for being black."

 

Do you think she's the most qualified person to ever seek the office of President?

[Observer]

 

Do you think she's the most qualified person to ever seek the office of President?

 

Irrelevant. I've already said I despise her. Based purely on her resume and not her competence, she certainly has the qualifications. Senator. Sec State. Been many less qualified presidents.

Edited August 15, 2016 by Observer

[TH3]

 

You're splitting points in hopes of being right with one of them. I'm not sure why, but here is what I hope will be my last retort on this as I have a full day ahead:

 

First, I argue Obama wouldn't be president if he were white because it's true, and it does not ignore his success and appeal because absolutely none of this happens -- his candidacy, his successes (be they as they may) nor his appeal -- if he's white.

 

All his education came from affirmative action. He wasn't getting into those colleges with the choom gang grades (which no one is allowed to see), but being of Kenyan descent opened doors just like being 1/32nd Native American opened doors for Elizabeth Warren: it looked good for universities to boast their diversity.

 

Did you ever review how Obama made it to his elected positions in the Illinois state senate? Was it his resume? His grades? His accomplishments?

 

No. He won his seats by getting dirt out on his competition. Getting divorce records unsealed. Look it up. He didn't win. He just made sure his competition lost.

 

Suddenly he is moving ahead in politics not because of anything he did, but because of the missteps of others.

 

By the time he gave his speech at the 2004 convention, the DNC and the media had precisely what Joe Biden meant when he called him "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

 

Next the media jumped on board because there is a ton of money to be made covering the election of the first black president. No one cared that his executive experience was equal to that of a third-grader. It was time to make history. Get tingles. Get rid of red American and blue America and have a united America! He's LeBron, baby! He's got game!

 

It all went fine until he won the WH, House and Senate and immediately told the GOP to go phuck themselves.

 

And here's my ultimate point that you seem to miss: the minute anyone questioned Obama for his actions, it was because they were racist. Period. Just ask the Clintons.

 

By the time Nancy Pelosi walked arm-in-arm with black congressmen through the ACA protesters just to announce someone spit on the black guys, the DNC had their super weapon and the GOP was done. They had no nutsack to fight back against cries of racism. They still don't. Which is one of the bigger contributors to Donald Trump's role as Democrat running as Republican. Because the GOP has become a useless, feckless, cowardly bunch of pussified elected officials who ran away the minute the word 'racist' started...and it hasn't stopped yet.

 

Hillary is different. She didn't get anywhere by being a woman. She got everywhere by being married to Bill. She's only using her surrogates to say "If you have a vagina, you must vote for a woman" because we both know the Gloria Steinem-like headlines will keep the GOP at bay, and they will only increase with every day that passes through this election, and right through her presidency.

 

Wow - so well written its almost....

 

First - The GOP told BO to go phuck himself on the day he was inaugurated.

Second - So Bush got into Harvard, out of Vietnam, got a baseball team given to him Trump got anywhere....blah blah blah....affirmative action is ALL over the place whitey....I'll give more merit to HRC and BO's climb than to either of those two spoon fed clowns..

and C - Gotta work today? Huh.....go figger...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

Irrelevant. I've already said I despise her. Based purely on her resume and not her competence, she certainly has the qualifications. Senator. Sec State. Been many less qualified presidents.

 

Like Hussein, you mean?