Azalin Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Sorry but I refuse to listen to a smug ranting talking head which he is the king of. As a matter of fact that's why I stopped listening to Jim Rome probably 20 years ago. Dude drove me crazy. Call me misguided I call me "someone with better things to do." I'd rather listen to a calm Bill Cosby say probably the same thing. I'd rather listen to Bill Cosby as well. it's just that the words aren't any truer because they're coming out of Cosby's mouth. it's the message I agree with. truth is truth no matter who's saying it.
meazza Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I'd rather listen to Bill Cosby as well. it's just that the words aren't any truer because they're coming out of Cosby's mouth. it's the message I agree with. truth is truth no matter who's saying it. To quote Jon Stewart, "This weekend, there was an interview between the most powerful man in the free world and President Barrack Obama"
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I'd rather listen to Bill Cosby as well. it's just that the words aren't any truer because they're coming out of Cosby's mouth. it's the message I agree with. truth is truth no matter who's saying it. Pudding Pops!
Maury Ballstein Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 So time to deport all black folks who sell drugs and have more than one "baby mama" ? Is that the fix ? #savedetroit
B-Large Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Its hard to argue much of what he said, whether you like O'Reilly or not. It is strange, you never hear Sharpton or Obama talk about the fact that so many Black Children come from broken homes- or address any of the other socio-familial issues that continue to the plight of the Black Community. here a thought: Craft policy and awareness promoting birth control and family planning in the Black community, encourage girls not to have children until they are ready, and encourage Dads to stay in the home... see what happens. Because what we are currently doing is not working. try something different- why is that so hard.
Azalin Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 So time to deport all black folks who sell drugs and have more than one "baby mama" ? Is that the fix ? #savedetroit deport? where the hell did that come from?
Maury Ballstein Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) deport? where the hell did that come from? What else are ya gonna do ? The current system clearly isn't showing any results. We can deport white people with two baby mamas and the propensity to sell crack also if that eases the racial overtones Edited June 5, 2014 by Ryan L Billz
Azalin Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 What else are ya gonna do ? The current system clearly isn't showing any results. We can deport white people with two baby mamas and the propensity to sell crack also if that eases the racial overtones what.....are you Gator's stunt double or something?
Chef Jim Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I'd rather listen to Bill Cosby as well. it's just that the words aren't any truer because they're coming out of Cosby's mouth. it's the message I agree with. truth is truth no matter who's saying it. I kind of look at it this way. One of my alltime favortie bands is the Allman Brothers Band. I love their song Revival but I never in a million years listen to a thrash metal band play it. Not a perfect analogy but that's the way I look at it.
B-Large Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Not on topic, but this is funny ****- even if it is baseless.
IDBillzFan Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Its hard to argue much of what he said, whether you like O'Reilly or not. It is strange, you never hear Sharpton or Obama talk about the fact that so many Black Children come from broken homes- or address any of the other socio-familial issues that continue to the plight of the Black Community. here a thought: Craft policy and awareness promoting birth control and family planning in the Black community, encourage girls not to have children until they are ready, and encourage Dads to stay in the home... see what happens. Because what we are currently doing is not working. try something different- why is that so hard. On this we agree. Barack Obama has done a lot of stupid stuff in office. But history will ultimately show that even if you can find a way to forget his handling of Obamacare, Benghazi, the IRS, VA, Bergdahl, etc., it will be impossible to deny that as a thin-skinned, self-absorbed, entitled little mama's B word, he pissed away one of the greatest opportunities every handed to a black man in this or any other country since the beginning of forever.
3rdnlng Posted June 5, 2014 Author Posted June 5, 2014 I couldn't find a transcript from O'Reilly's "memo" from the other day but I did find this from a year ago which looks to be eerily familiar to his recent rant: http://www.billoreilly.com/site/rd?satype=13&url=%2Fb%2FBill-OReilly%3A-President-Obama-and-the-race-problem%2F945823226264545887.html The sad truth is that from the President on down, our leadership has no clue, no clue at all about how to solve problems within the black community. And many are frightened to even broach the issue. That's because race hustlers and the grievance industry have intimidated the so- called "conversation," turning any valid criticism of African-American culture into charges of racial bias. So many in power simply walk away leaving millions of law abiding African-Americans to pretty much fend for themselves in violent neighborhoods. You want racism? That's racism. Thus, it is time for some straight talk, and I hope the President is listening tonight because we need him to lead on this issue. Trayvon Martin was killed because circumstances got out of control. He was scrutinized by a neighborhood watchman, George Zimmerman, because of the way he looked. Not necessarily his skin color, there is no evidence of that but because he was a stranger to Zimmerman and was dressed in clothing sometimes used by street criminals. It was wrong for Zimmerman to confront Martin based on his appearance. But the culture that we have in this country does lead to criminal profiling because young black American men are so often involved in crime, the statistics overwhelming. But here is the headline: young black men commit homicides at a rate 10 times greater than whites and Hispanics combined. When presented with damning evidence like that, and like the mini-holocaust in Chicago where hundreds of African-Americans are murdered each year the civil rights industry looks the other way or makes excuses. They blame guns, poor education, lack of jobs, rarely do they define the problem accurately. So here it is. The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the black precincts is the disintegration of the African-American family. Right now about 73 percent of all black babies are born out of wedlock. That drives poverty. And the lack of involved fathers leads to young boys growing up resentful and unsupervised. When was the last time you saw a public service ad telling young black girls to avoid becoming pregnant? Has President Obama done such an ad? How about Jackson or Sharpton? Has the Congressional Black Caucus demanded an ad like that? How about the PC pundits who work for NBC News? White people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. That's a personal decision; a decision that has devastated millions of children and led to disaster both socially and economically. So raised without much structure, young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. Nobody forces them to do that; again, it is a personal decision. But the entertainment industry encourages the irresponsibility by marketing a gangster culture, hip hop, movies, trashy TV shows to impressionable children. In fact, President Obama has welcomed some of the worst offenders in that cesspool to the White House when he should be condemning what these weasels are doing. These so-called entertainers get rich while the kids who emulate their lyrics and attitude destroy themselves.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I believe that section of the show is called 'talking points', where he gives his opinion on a given issue du jour (followed by every other segment where he again gives his opinion on other issues). despite what people may think of O'Reilly, I think his assessment of the problems in the african-american culture are correct, especially with regard to those in the inner cities. he's right to call out the likes of Jackson & Sharpton like he does. people who dismiss the message simply because O'Reilly is the one saying it are misguided. I (gasp) actually find O'Reilly highly amusing and sometimes informative but I admit I haven't really paid attention to him in a number of years. His rant in the OP is one he's written about before. I'm pretty sure he did the same exact rant on his radio show back in 2003 with almost the same exact statistics and culprits. His analysis isn't "wrong" or even inflammatory, it's just one-sided and simplistic. It takes the conservative touchstone of personal responsibility (of which I think we can both agree is a positive) but conflates it with socio-economic factors that only paint half of the picture in my mind. It's a good rant and raises some valid points, but it's superficial and frankly a little remedial. It offers no real solution to the issue rather it just points the blame finger at one segment of the population without taking in the totality of reality. I couldn't find a transcript from O'Reilly's "memo" from the other day but I did find this from a year ago which looks to be eerily familiar to his recent rant: He trots out this same rant at least once a year. This is not new from O'Reilly at all.
DC Tom Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 It's a good rant and raises some valid points, but it's superficial and frankly a little remedial. Welcome to the United States. Enjoy your stay.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Its hard to argue much of what he said, whether you like O'Reilly or not. It is strange, you never hear Sharpton or Obama talk about the fact that so many Black Children come from broken homes- or address any of the other socio-familial issues that continue to the plight of the Black Community. here a thought: Craft policy and awareness promoting birth control and family planning in the Black community, encourage girls not to have children until they are ready, and encourage Dads to stay in the home... see what happens. Because what we are currently doing is not working. try something different- why is that so hard. This is where the issue becomes more complicated than O'Reilly's rant makes things sound. The race-baiters excluded from what I'm about to say (you know who those are), there are plenty of activists and folks within the black community who talk at great lengths about these subjects every day. But, unlike the O'Reilly's and others of the world, they don't stop their analysis at the surface level. You cannot discuss the breakdown of black families without talking about the factors outside of personal responsibility. Factors like the War on Drugs which was aimed like a laser at the black community and is reflected in the hugely disparaging sentencing differences for narcotics doled out between urban people of color and urban white offenders, or factors like the destruction of the manufacturing base and low skill labor jobs in our major cities coupled with housing discrimination aimed at helping gentrification in cities like Chicago at the expense of the black community all play critical roles in the situation we find ourselves in when it comes to race in this country. But talking about those factors isn't as easy for O'Reilly's (largely white men over the age of 45) to swallow. That's why he won't talk about them and that's why his rant is one sided and superficial, as is anyone's who doesn't take in the whole picture and instead tries to assign blame to one segment of the population.
Azalin Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I (gasp) actually find O'Reilly highly amusing and sometimes informative but I admit I haven't really paid attention to him in a number of years. His rant in the OP is one he's written about before. I'm pretty sure he did the same exact rant on his radio show back in 2003 with almost the same exact statistics and culprits. His analysis isn't "wrong" or even inflammatory, it's just one-sided and simplistic. It takes the conservative touchstone of personal responsibility (of which I think we can both agree is a positive) but conflates it with socio-economic factors that only paint half of the picture in my mind. It's a good rant and raises some valid points, but it's superficial and frankly a little remedial. It offers no real solution to the issue rather it just points the blame finger at one segment of the population without taking in the totality of reality. I agree for the most part, but I like seeing the so-called civil rights leadership called out for what I believe is their tendency to be silent regarding some of the destructive elements in the urban culture while exploiting the plight of those they purport to stand for. despite being a bit of a blowhard, O'Reilly has the viewership, and therefor the clout, to help bring some of these issues further into the national dialogue.
3rdnlng Posted June 5, 2014 Author Posted June 5, 2014 Obama and Holder have themselves characterized the black man as the victim rather than have an honest dialogue with the American people. Black leaders, far too often have failed to state the obvious, and have played the race card for political or economic reasons. The issues can't be solved until they are recognized for what they are.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Obama and Holder have themselves characterized the black man as the victim rather than have an honest dialogue with the American people. Black leaders, far too often have failed to state the obvious, and have played the race card for political or economic reasons. The issues can't be solved until they are recognized for what they are. It's the black guy's problem there's racism left in America. If only more black people weren't so racist, we'd all be fine.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 It's the black guy's problem there's racism left in America. If only more black people weren't so racist, we'd all be fine. There will **always** be racism. Always. One of the key reasons, however, that things are unable to improve, is because it is currently a valuable political commodity. The issue is more important than a solution. Things will never improve until the race baiters shut up, and until the victim mentality is done away with.
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