Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Envy Not even close. I despise people that feel the need to brag about their "accomplishments". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Just so you know about my succeeding: I have started 2 companies - sold the first, the second is blowing up (I invent products, patent them and bring them to market). I have raised private capital offerings and have negotiated with huge publicly traded companies to develop operating agreements.I am heavily integrated into the manufacturing and marketing of the products I develop - I don't just turn them over for royalties. I am what some would call a 1 percent-or. My investors have made money - twice - through horrible economic conditions. I have also held public office for 6 years - and lived and worked abroad, I have completed deals in Europe, the Middle East and China..... I am sure though - your C.V. gives you a much wider view of what is going on.... What does this have to do with what we're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) Just so you know about my succeeding: I have started 2 companies - sold the first, the second is blowing up (I invent products, patent them and bring them to market). I have raised private capital offerings and have negotiated with huge publicly traded companies to develop operating agreements.I am heavily integrated into the manufacturing and marketing of the products I develop - I don't just turn them over for royalties. I am what some would call a 1 percent-or. My investors have made money - twice - through horrible economic conditions. I have also held public office for 6 years - and lived and worked abroad, I have completed deals in Europe, the Middle East and China..... I am sure though - your C.V. gives you a much wider view of what is going on.... The only thing missing from this schitcan of a post is the kind of car your drive and the number of degrees on your wall. If you were half as successful as your online persona suggests, you'd at least be smart enough not to think that what you posted above has anything to do with refuting his points. He explained everything simple and cleanly, and you're only response is, "Well, I'm successful and smart!" You may be successful, but you are a massive dumbass.. Edited June 13, 2014 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 The only thing missing from this schitcan of a post is the kind of car your drive and the number of degrees on your wall. If you were half as successful as your online persona suggests, you'd at least be smart enough not to think that what you posted above has anything to do with refuting his points. He explained everything simple and cleanly, and you're only response is, "Well, I'm successful and smart!" You may be successful, but you are a massive dumbass.. Something tells me he lives in Silicon Valley or the Peninsula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Just so you know about my succeeding: I have started 2 companies - sold the first, the second is blowing up (I invent products, patent them and bring them to market). I have raised private capital offerings and have negotiated with huge publicly traded companies to develop operating agreements.I am heavily integrated into the manufacturing and marketing of the products I develop - I don't just turn them over for royalties. I am what some would call a 1 percent-or. My investors have made money - twice - through horrible economic conditions. I have also held public office for 6 years - and lived and worked abroad, I have completed deals in Europe, the Middle East and China..... I am sure though - your C.V. gives you a much wider view of what is going on.... Ever give any consideration to asking other people what they've accomplished before spouting off your own "Who's Who" bio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Just so you know about my succeeding: I have started 2 companies - sold the first, the second is blowing up (I invent products, patent them and bring them to market). I have raised private capital offerings and have negotiated with huge publicly traded companies to develop operating agreements.I am heavily integrated into the manufacturing and marketing of the products I develop - I don't just turn them over for royalties. I am what some would call a 1 percent-or. My investors have made money - twice - through horrible economic conditions. I have also held public office for 6 years - and lived and worked abroad, I have completed deals in Europe, the Middle East and China..... I am sure though - your C.V. gives you a much wider view of what is going on.... Well I won my high school spelling bee so you better listen to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Well I won my high school spelling bee so you better listen to me. Really? Can you spell "1 percenter?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Really? Can you spell "1 percenter?" 1 percenter: R-O-M-N-E-Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Well I won my high school spelling bee so you better listen to me. That's nothing. Once, while baskin was in band camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 1 percenter: R-O-M-N-E-Y :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) 1 percenter: R-O-M-N-E-Y E-I-E-I-DOH! Edited June 14, 2014 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 :lol: More material!! What a productive day already :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Before I begin, I think the state of affairs of the "Obama effort", it's status, must be rapidly approaching awful, if determining it has to be done in the context of Bush. Doesn't it? Consider: would anyone make such a comparison in 2009-11? No. That would have been "pointless". Since at that time, "we all know Obama is much better", would have been the: 100% from the media, 100% from the left and independents, and probably even 60% from the right, standard response to Dorkington's question. However, now, we have a poster in Dorkington, who tends to be on the left side of things, asking this question....and asking it in "Ben Franklin close" manner? I think that speaks volumes. It gives us insight into what must be happening in the brains of most of the reasonable left. They see how bad this is. So, they are reaching for some stability. They are looking for this to hit bottom = "Ok, this is bad, but, is this as bad as we said Bush was?" On the plus side? At least Dorkington is capable of recognizing "bad" when he sees it, and at least he seems capable of introspection. On the minus? Obama hitting bottom is wishful thinking. Which should surprise no one, as most of the left's thinking is predicated on it. You have to add Obama's first election to Bush's long list of failures. Bush's massive, and at times staggering, failures as Commander in Chief, helped hyper-partisianize (is that even a word?) the country and left it desperate to rally behind anyone who could string together a coherent sentence. The country was so blinded by what appeared to be competence, especially in comparison to W's woeful speaking abilities and complete lack of polish, that we never looked beneath the veil to see if there was any substance to the man. That's on Bush's record too. Had he been a little better, had he been a little bit more competent, Obama never runs in '08 (or loses early) and Hillary gets the nomination, McCain never picks Palin and instead he and Lieberman win the presidency. This is only part right. The part you don't account for? The exponential radicalization of the Democratic party from 1998 to...Obamacare. And, yes, I do believe Obamacare marks the end, because "blue Dog"/Rahm Emanuel Democrats(Senator Manchin WV) will be the only Democrats who win contested elections going forward. The massive move to the left is not Bush's fault. It started with Clinton's impeachment/the Global Warming/Political Vehicle Scam, and was also fueled by Clinton's active participation in Welfare Reform, and, the rest of the successful, bi-partisan things that were getting done, which were good for the country, but bad for the far-left. No man in history has done more to disprove the far-left's ideologoy than Bill Clinton. After all, "Clinton triangulation" literally means: beat the Republicans to the podium, and announce your plan to implement their ideas. In all cases, Republican ideas get implemented = bad for the far left. Consider: this is the part that nearly nominated Howard Dean, before it nominated Obama. Howard Dean was a "good idea". No. He wasn't. That would have been a slaughter. Kerry lost a close race. Dean would have destroyed the party. So, I submit that Bush may have been a catalyst, but not the main reason for Democrats feeling "empowered" to nominate Obama. A long string of idiocy, designed and energized by unmitigated morons, but, sold by world-class marketers, is the real cause for Obama. Rather than talking about dividing the country, Democrats should be worried about Obama dividing their party. As of today, I see them as massively divided going forward, and then? We will get to ask whether the R winner of 2016 won on his own merits, or, the D divide/how bad Obama was, and/or the energy of the far-right/TEA party, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 To be perfectly honest, my actual opinion of Obama as a president is a C. He's not done very well, but he's also not greatly harmed this country (again, imo) like Bush did before him. To me, though, a C is not good enough, and America needs better. But, no matter how good a President is, our congress is a ridiculous mess (both left and right), so even an A++++ president likely wouldn't get anything done. The reason I asked the question and made the poll here, is because for the most part all the posts here I see are very very very negative towards Obama, so I wanted to see how people felt in comparison to Bush, that's about it. This place is definitely right leaning (and there's nothing wrong with that), so I tend to do more reading than I do posting, as my opinions would likely get drowned out in quick manner. At the very least this place lets me understand "the other side" a bit better, and gives me a more well rounded view in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 To be perfectly honest, my actual opinion of Obama as a president is a C. He's not done very well, but he's also not greatly harmed this country (again, imo) like Bush did before him. To me, though, a C is not good enough, and America needs better. But, no matter how good a President is, our congress is a ridiculous mess (both left and right), so even an A++++ president likely wouldn't get anything done. The reason I asked the question and made the poll here, is because for the most part all the posts here I see are very very very negative towards Obama, so I wanted to see how people felt in comparison to Bush, that's about it. This place is definitely right leaning (and there's nothing wrong with that), so I tend to do more reading than I do posting, as my opinions would likely get drowned out in quick manner. At the very least this place lets me understand "the other side" a bit better, and gives me a more well rounded view in the end. So when someone is from "the other side" which I'm assuming you are, and you give a grade of a "C" from a president that is from your side, on a sliding scale, I guess that puts him at around D - I think that's pretty close to about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'm progressive, but I find Democrats to largely be compromised, weak willed, and counter productive. I think there's all of one Democrat that I actually like heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) To be perfectly honest, my actual opinion of Obama as a president is a C. He's not done very well, but he's also not greatly harmed this country (again, imo) like Bush did before him. There's a world of difference in harm that is fixed within one business/electoral cycle vs one that is generational. For that reason, a C is overly generous. Edited June 18, 2014 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) So when someone is from "the other side" which I'm assuming you are, and you give a grade of a "C" from a president that is from your side, on a sliding scale, I guess that puts him at around D - I think that's pretty close to about right. Yep. That's sounds about right. Dorkington can demur all he likes. But, as I said, there are many answers in the question itself, how it was asked, and especially in how Dorkington moves towards "Ben Franklin" in subsequent posts. I didn't make him do that, you didn't. He chose that all on his own. Reasonable "progressives"(I believe this term's shelf-life lasts through November, and then they'll have to find a new word for "socialist in everything but name"), started to get panicky about Obama a while ago. That's because he may very well end up destroying their agenda. After all they've done to tell us how smart and skilled he is, it's not like they can go back. So, he is inseperable from the agenda, in the minds of everyone but the far-left, who will of course use the age-old excuse for failed socialism: "Obama didn't do it right"TM. There have been many columns...such as "What if Obama can't lead"? Now? That's no longer in question. Obama's leadership, and capability, is known. Hence, again, Dorkington, you can demur and obfuscate: but you've already shown us your cards. The fact that you need to reach back for a Bush baseline? To try and assuage your concerns, by suggesting that Obama hasn't crossed that baseline? I play poker. I do enterprise IT. In both disciplines: you've just given us a tell. Edited June 18, 2014 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 A tell for what? I don't think Obama's been a success. The question was rather simple, comparing what it seems to be, the two worst presidents of all time according to opinions in the very loud media circus/social media sphere. I'm not worried that Obama is a bad president, or a good president, or whatever. All I care about is America finding success, because I live here, so it's in my best interest. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc all seemed like charming individuals, but that's about as far as I go in actually caring about them. I think Bush did a worse job than Obama for this country, anyone with eyes can tell that that's my opinion. I didn't want to get into major arguments and distract from the discussion, so I backed off anytime I gave an opinion. You may be playing poker, but I'm not. I've been largely observing the game, and that's about it. I find there to be little reason in actually participating in American politics these days, as it's been overrun by the lobbyist cycle, and it's hard for anyone to actually get representation (again, that's for both left and right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 A tell for what? I don't think Obama's been a success. The question was rather simple, comparing what it seems to be, the two worst presidents of all time according to opinions in the very loud media circus/social media sphere. I'm not worried that Obama is a bad president, or a good president, or whatever. All I care about is America finding success, because I live here, so it's in my best interest. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc all seemed like charming individuals, but that's about as far as I go in actually caring about them. I think Bush did a worse job than Obama for this country, anyone with eyes can tell that that's my opinion. I didn't want to get into major arguments and distract from the discussion, so I backed off anytime I gave an opinion. You may be playing poker, but I'm not. I've been largely observing the game, and that's about it. I find there to be little reason in actually participating in American politics these days, as it's been overrun by the lobbyist cycle, and it's hard for anyone to actually get representation (again, that's for both left and right). I'm wondering, as you listed "harming the country" as your requisite for naming someone a "worse president", if you might be willing to quantify the various transgressions of both men, assigning them weight for your purposes? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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