Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Posted June 18, 2014 I posted my list of what I think both did earlier in the thread, and it was torn down pretty quickly. It'd just go down that road again. I'm not going to change anyone's opinions, you're probably not going to change mine.
OCinBuffalo Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) A tell for what? I don't think Obama's been a success. The question was rather simple, comparing what it seems to be, the two worst presidents of all time according to opinions in the very loud media circus/social media sphere. I'm not worried that Obama is a bad president, or a good president, or whatever. All I care about is America finding success, because I live here, so it's in my best interest. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc all seemed like charming individuals, but that's about as far as I go in actually caring about them. I think Bush did a worse job than Obama for this country, anyone with eyes can tell that that's my opinion. I didn't want to get into major arguments and distract from the discussion, so I backed off anytime I gave an opinion. You may be playing poker, but I'm not. I've been largely observing the game, and that's about it. I find there to be little reason in actually participating in American politics these days, as it's been overrun by the lobbyist cycle, and it's hard for anyone to actually get representation (again, that's for both left and right). Yeah. Dude. You framed the question as you did. You then started the bullet point process, as you did. Now? You're telling me that I need to unknow what I know...and then claiming disinterest/observation? Why the bullet points then? Why not just let the poll happen, let the question take its course, and sit back, and "observe"? Sorry. Behavior Tells. All behavior has purpose, and you framed the discussion purposely with those bullet points. Hey, it's possible you may not see it. It's possible that you actually think you are merely observing. I don't. I see what I see. That's the thing about tells, they are usually subconscious, and the teller is unaware of them. That, and if you are so disinterested/disgusted by the process, why even bother posting in an obscure political board on a Bills football website? No. Look, it's OK to have serious concerns about this guy, and your agenda. You'd be nuts not to have them. Nobody should aspire to live a lie. You're better off dealing with them rationally, and revisiting more than a few things. For example: do you really think the government is capable of managing our health care? EDIT: What does the empirical evidence suggest about Obamacare, and the VA? With a mountain of evidence againt, where is the evidence for? Edited June 18, 2014 by OCinBuffalo
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) I posted my list of what I think both did earlier in the thread, and it was torn down pretty quickly. It'd just go down that road again. I'm not going to change anyone's opinions, you're probably not going to change mine. I'm not interested in changing your mind, I'm interested in understanding your thought process; because if I don't, then this is a fairly useless exercise. Below is a list of things which you apparently blame on each of the two Presidents being discussed. Bush: 9/11 Iraq Katrina Deregulated market crash Obama: Slow middle/lower class recovery Drones Benghazi ACA Negotiating with terrorists You haven't explained, or differentiated their levels of "harming the country", nor have you quanified the "harm done". You also have some glaring ommisions for both men, which leads me to wonder exactly what you are using for you definition of harm. You also haven't outlined what portion of those events you blame of those men, their level of involvment in cause, or what you beleieve could/should have been done differently. Please provide some clarity. Thanks, again, in advance. Edited June 18, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Posted June 18, 2014 Yeah. Dude. You framed the question as you did. You then started the bullet point process, as you did. Now? You're telling me that I need to unknow what I know...and then claiming disinterest/observation? Why the bullet points then? Why not just let the poll happen, let the question take its course, and sit back, and "observe"? Sorry. Behavior Tells. All behavior has purpose, and you framed the discussion purposely with those bullet points. Hey, it's possible you may not see it. It's possible that you actually think you are merely observing. I don't. I see what I see. That's the thing about tells, they are usually subconscious, and the teller is unaware of them. That, and if you are so disinterested/disgusted by the process, why even bother posting in an obscure political board on a Bills football website? No. Look, it's OK to have serious concerns about this guy, and your agenda. You'd be nuts not to have them. Nobody should aspire to live a lie. You're better off dealing with them rationally, and revisiting more than a few things. For example: do you really think the government is capable of managing our health care? EDIT: What does the empirical evidence suggest about Obamacare, and the VA? With a mountain of evidence againt, where is the evidence for? Ok, color me ignorant. Please tell me what my agenda is according to you, and what my purpose of this poll was? It seems like you know more about me than I do, so go right ahead. I'm not interested in changing your mind, I'm interested in understanding your thought process; because if I don't, then this is a fairly useless exercise. Below is a list of things which you apparently blame on each of the two Presidents being discussed. You haven't explained, or differentiated their levels of "harming the country", nor have you quanified the "harm done". You also have some glaring ommisions for both men, which leads me to wonder exactly what you are using for you definition of harm. You also haven't outlined what portion of those events you blame of those men, their level of involvment in cause, or what you beleieve could/should have been done differently. Please provide some clarity. Thanks, again, in advance. Just putting my simplified list out there was met with a resounding "you're wrong", so there's really no point. I was corrected, and that's the end of it.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) Just putting my simplified list out there was met with a resounding "you're wrong", so there's really no point. I was corrected, and that's the end of it. Don't attribute what others have said to me. I asked you a question, and I'd appriciate it if you'd answer. What you're saying now just comes off as sour grapes at worst, and taking your football and going home at best. Be better than that. If an opinion is worth having it's worth defending, or atleast worth discussing. If you disagree with that, then you probably shouldn't bother posting here anymore, because you won't actually contribute anything. Edited June 18, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Posted June 18, 2014 There's maybe two or three here that agree with my political views, one of them might be mentally disabled (we all know who I speak of), there's very little point in me getting into actual discussion here, as I'd just be shouted down by an avalanche of dissenting views. If that means I shouldn't participate, then I suppose I won't. My apologies for wasting your time. Mods, feel free to shut down this thread and any of my posts within PPP.
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 There's maybe two or three here that agree with my political views, one of them might be mentally disabled (we all know who I speak of), there's very little point in me getting into actual discussion here, as I'd just be shouted down by an avalanche of dissenting views. If that means I shouldn't participate, then I suppose I won't. My apologies for wasting your time. Mods, feel free to shut down this thread and any of my posts within PPP. So, taking you football and going home then? Why does it matter if someone agrees with your political views or not? What relevance does that have, unless you prefer to exist in an echo chamber? The great thing about web forums is that you can choose to respond to whomever you want, and your posts, expressing your views, cannot be "shouted down", because their is no sound volume, and if your words have merit, then their truthfulness is much louder than a morass of opposing posts which do not. It appears, however, that you simply seek to express a point of view, give no basis for that point of view, and then balk at that point of view being challenged. Is that really who you are as a person?
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Posted June 18, 2014 If that's what you think I am, then fine. I've gotten involved in discussions on this forum before, but generally things devolve into name calling and trolling, so there's really very little point. I'm not going to defend myself. I am exactly what you, or whomever, say I am. I shouldn't have responded when I did, I should have kept quiet and continued reading, but I couldn't help myself. That was my mistake. Cheers.
meazza Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 If that's what you think I am, then fine. I've gotten involved in discussions on this forum before, but generally things devolve into name calling and trolling, so there's really very little point. I'm not going to defend myself. I am exactly what you, or whomever, say I am. I shouldn't have responded when I did, I should have kept quiet and continued reading, but I couldn't help myself. That was my mistake. Cheers. In general if you're courteous it doesn't really dwelve into name calling.
DC Tom Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 In general if you're courteous it doesn't really dwelve into name calling. You're an idiot.
Magox Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 If that's what you think I am, then fine. I've gotten involved in discussions on this forum before, but generally things devolve into name calling and trolling, so there's really very little point. I'm not going to defend myself. I am exactly what you, or whomever, say I am. I shouldn't have responded when I did, I should have kept quiet and continued reading, but I couldn't help myself. That was my mistake. Cheers. I'm looking for someone with some opposing views to actually contribute something substantive to the conversation. I tried with Birddog,
meazza Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 he's probably even Canadian. Only based on birth certificate, passport, current residence and because i own a canada goose jacket.
3rdnlng Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 There's maybe two or three here that agree with my political views, one of them might be mentally disabled (we all know who I speak of), there's very little point in me getting into actual discussion here, as I'd just be shouted down by an avalanche of dissenting views. If that means I shouldn't participate, then I suppose I won't. My apologies for wasting your time. Mods, feel free to shut down this thread and any of my posts within PPP. TYTT gave you the perfect opportunity to rationally discuss an issue that you felt strongly enough to start a thread about. Why are you not taking the opportunity to discuss? Are your convictions that shallow? Even Gatorman, as weaponless and obtuse that he is will stand and attempt to fight.
Azalin Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Only based on birth certificate, passport, current residence and because i own a canada goose jacket. is that all?
Dorkington Posted June 18, 2014 Author Posted June 18, 2014 TYTT gave you the perfect opportunity to rationally discuss an issue that you felt strongly enough to start a thread about. Why are you not taking the opportunity to discuss? Are your convictions that shallow? Even Gatorman, as weaponless and obtuse that he is will stand and attempt to fight. I'm picky with where I expend my energy Arguing which disappointing president is worse doesn't really interest me that much. The poll numbers were really all I wanted.
Azalin Posted June 18, 2014 Posted June 18, 2014 Yeah. Where's your toque, eh hoser? me? I wear it under my Stetson, eh!
3rdnlng Posted June 19, 2014 Posted June 19, 2014 I'm picky with where I expend my energy Arguing which disappointing president is worse doesn't really interest me that much. The poll numbers were really all I wanted. You're a first---a drive-by shooter packing a BB gun. I'm sorry that you have chosen to disengage here.
OCinBuffalo Posted June 19, 2014 Posted June 19, 2014 Ok, color me ignorant. Please tell me what my agenda is according to you, and what my purpose of this poll was? It seems like you know more about me than I do, so go right ahead. I'm not making any claims other than the ones I've already made. You're dancing on the edge of putting words into my mouth here. Don't bother trying. Also, I am only working with the words you've chosen, and those you haven't chosen. The leftist agenda is now clearly known to all. I'm not going to waste our collective time detailing what we've heard from the D party and this D president. Or, do you think he hasn't made enough speeches? That agenda is in dire trouble, primarily because it has, once again, failed to produce results. Your purpose for this entire thread is as I said: you know that the agenda/Obama is in trouble, and, as a coping techinique, you're searching for a way for Obama to hit bottom, in terms of Bush. (Btw, the time when you can save Obama, or save the agenda, not both, is rapidly approaching) Specifically, you are looking for reinforcement that Obama is not as a bad as you've said Bush was...for 10 years now. You are scared schitless, and right to be, that we're going to wind up in a place where Obama is WORSE than Bush...becuause then you're going to feel exposed. Also, you are testing the water, and looking to see where everybody is(hence the poll approach), again in an effort to set a baseline. It's telling. Speaking of telling: http://msnbcmedia.ms...18 Release).pdf It seems you are not alone in your trepidation. In fact, do a Ctrl-F for "Bush" and you will soon see: more people find Obama "Not competent at all" than Bush in 2006! The year the Ds waved into Congress. So, again, it's interesting, even if you don't see it, that this question would be asked the way you asked it, and then supported by bullet pointing/Ben Franklin close approach. If you look around in this thread, you'll see that I'm not the only one who knows a BS Ben Franklin when they see one. TYTT is coming at this from his standard quant approach. I am running my standard knowledge+experience=behavior-->process approach. In either case, your effort in this thread basically guarantees a response from both of us.
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